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 Post subject: Re: The Crusade continues - illegal immigration
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 7:46 am 
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Mexico should be a sufficient buffer.


If you ANNEX Mexico, that makes it part of the United States.
There would no longer be a buffer.
There would be no border at the Rio Grande.
Once a Honduran crossed the border with “old” Mexico you wouldn’t see another border traveling north until you got to Canada.


If you make Mexico a Protectorate (or _insert word for special territorial status_) and you institute the multi-decades long process for full entry into the United States for all the Mexican states, AND you have a detailed, thorough, and rigorous plan for HOW, when, why, where, and to whit, this new protectorate territory is to be administered, then yes: Mexico could be a buffer.

Impose more strict martial law-esque standards of border control and immigration control inside Mexico and in particular in those regions where trafficking between Mexico and other Central American countries is prevalent; eliminate all the existing institutional, criminal and grass-roots systems which promote, facilitate and profit from the trafficking of people through Mexico to the U.S.; take a machete to all the corruption, mismanagement, crime and nepotism which makes Mexico such a basket case and is the most significant upstream driver of illegal invaders into the U.S. both from Mexico and other Central American locations . . . Declare the concept of "Sanctuary" espoused by ANY sovereignty that finds itself subordinate to the U.S. Federal system to be illegal, if not treasonous and give a 30 day warning to any and all to cease and desist or face criminal charges. When the time frame runs out, then begin pick the most juicy target and arrest, charge, indict and prosecute and make sure the courts are sufficiently cleared before hand that the case can fly through at max possible speed while still maintaining the highest standards of justice . . . Serious efforts to solve the U.S. problems with illegal invaders to the country would adopt some or all of these type of measures, but would at least achieve the net degree of coherence and rigor which this set comprises. Half-baked, half-assed, half-hearted efforts like "walls" and bickering about ethical/moral issues when there are pretty obvious breaches of existing Federal laws is bullshit.

Or, just futz around "TRYING" to impose more strict border regulation procedures and "build a wall" while meanwhile thousands of districts in the U.S. have proclaimed themselves "sanctuaries" of illegal invaders to the larger sovereign of which they are a part.

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 Post subject: Re: The Crusade continues - illegal immigration
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:11 am 
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The problem is that the ease with which you say the US would root out corruption is overstated.

1. We seem incapable of taking action against our own corruption. See: the Illinois thread, the high speed rail thread, the Rusatom deal, Maxine Harris, NYC and for every person who posts in the drivethru I figure each could name ten corrupt local officials.

2. Mexico annexed would then become a gold rush for corrupt Americans, exacerbating America's problems and,

3. You probably wouldnt solve corruption in Mexico because, when it comes to influence peddling, extortion, bribery, those guys are professionals and members of the US House are amateurs in comparison.

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 Post subject: Re: The Crusade continues - illegal immigration
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:30 am 
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The other problem with the idea is the Mexicans have their own national pride. Even when they sneak in and take all of our free shit and even have American kids they still root for Mexico in World Cup games over the US. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 1:27 pm 
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mdiehl wrote:
The problem is that the ease with which you say the US would root out corruption is overstated.

1. We seem incapable of taking action against our own corruption. See: the Illinois thread, the high speed rail thread, the Rusatom deal, Maxine Harris, NYC and for every person who posts in the drivethru I figure each could name ten corrupt local officials.

2. Mexico annexed would then become a gold rush for corrupt Americans, exacerbating America's problems and,

3. You probably wouldnt solve corruption in Mexico because, when it comes to influence peddling, extortion, bribery, those guys are professionals and members of the US House are amateurs in comparison.


Absolutely true.

It is also true that the ease with which it is stated "A Wall" will solve the illegal intruder problem is overstated.

More than anything, I intend/hope my completely out-of-the-blue and unconventional suggestion evokes thinking outside the box. "Wall" is NOT a solution to the problem, as we see now 2.5 years into the Presidential term of a candidate for whom "BUILD THE WALL!" was a battle cry of great fame and allure. One might go so far as to say it was one of his primary campaign slogans. Nonetheless, here we sit with (apparently) still a stream of illegals being imported/shoved/slipping/slithering/flying/jumping/and vaulting across the border and (apparently) an effective gridlock in terms of even the POLICIES for taking THE FIRST STEPS toward actual solutions.

Placing anyone who even utters the word "Sanctuary" in shackles and keel-hauling them is a solution which is no doubt overstated, but if nothing else perhaps my contribution might be to suggest that it JUST MIGHT come to that if we REALLY want to solve the problem.

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Regarding the “Anthro Plan” (making Mexico a Protectorate”)....

The American voters/public would not support such a plan.
Congress would not support such a plan.
The country/population of Mexico would not support such a plan.

How potentially could the Anthro Plan have even a snowball’s chance in hell of working?
First you’d have to take over the US in a coup and institute a strongman dictatorship.
Next you’d have to invade Mexico.
Then you’d need to militarily occupy the country with between 500,000 to 1 million troops for multiple decades.

I nominate Anthro to head down to Mexico as an advance scout for this undertaking. :mrgreen:

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chijohnaok wrote:
Regarding the “Anthro Plan” (making Mexico a Protectorate”)....

The American voters/public would not support such a plan.
Congress would not support such a plan.
The country/population of Mexico would not support such a plan.

How potentially could the Anthro Plan have even a snowball’s chance in hell of working?
First you’d have to take over the US in a coup and institute a strongman dictatorship.
Next you’d have to invade Mexico.
Then you’d need to militarily occupy the country with between 500,000 to 1 million troops for multiple decades.

I nominate Anthro to head down to Mexico as an advance scout for this undertaking. :mrgreen:


It isn't my fault if the world fails to heed my brilliance . . .

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 Post subject: Re: The Crusade continues - illegal immigration
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:25 pm 
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Dem bitch accuses Acting DHS Sec of intentionally killing immigrant children :shock: :roll:

That's too much even for some of the Democrats on the committee

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Raw video: House Homeland Security Committee votes to strike comments made by Illinois Representative Lauren Underwood during hearing with DHS Secretary McAleenan.

A hearing of the House Homeland Security Committee came to a screeching halt Wednesday when a Democrat had her words struck from the record after calling the deaths of children in custody at the border an "intentional" policy decision.

Rep. Lauren Underwood's questioning of Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Kevin McAleenan was contentious from the beginning, when the Illinois lawmaker asked him about the effects of separating children from their families at the border. She closed by claiming that the continued poor conditions in which children allegedly were being kept, and the recent death of a fifth child in custody, showed that this was the administration's goal.


"At this point, with five kids that have died, 5,000 separated from their families, I feel like, and the evidence is really clear, this is intentional," Underwood said. "It's a policy choice being made on purpose by this administration, and it's cruel and inhumane."

McAleenan fired back, disputing Underwood's characterization.

"That's an appalling accusation, and our men and women fight hard to protect people in our custody every single day," he said. McAleenan added that his department asked for resources prior to the latest fatality and that Congress has not responded. He also said that DHS asked for changes "that would have prevented this from happening."

Tucson Sector Border Patrol chief says the entire US immigration system needs a rebootVideo
Underwood's comments were in reference to the government's announcement that a 16-year-old Guatemalan died Monday at a South Texas Border Patrol station. He was diagnosed with the flu on Sunday at a border facility, which was then temporarily closed.

Last week, a 2-year-old died after he and his mother were detained. Government officials said the child was taken to the hospital the same day his mother reported he was sick, and he was in the hospital for weeks. On April 30, a 16-year-old boy also died after officials at a Health and Human Services detention facility noticed that he was sick.

Underwood was given an opportunity to clarify her remarks, and she said the same thing, using virtually identical language. "With five children dead and 5,000 separated from their families, this is intentional. It's a policy choice being made on purpose by this administration, and it's cruel and inhumane," she reiterated.

Ranking Member Mike Rogers, R-Ala., came to McAleenan's defense, calling out Underwood for her remarks.

"Mr. Chairman, you cannot impugn the character of the witness by stating that he intentionally murders children," he said. "That is completely inappropriate, and her words should be taken down. She was very explicit."

Underwood defended herself, saying she did not use the word "murder," but said that deaths were the result of policy choices.

"He has said that he stands by the policy decisions of this administration, that's what he said at the beginning of his testimony."

McAleenan said he "did not say that at all."



This eventually led to a vote over whether to take down Underwood's words from the record.

After a 9-7 vote, Underwood's words were taken down.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 3:59 am 
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Release Date: May 28, 2019

DEL RIO, Texas – U.S. Border Patrol agents assigned to the Eagle Pass Station apprehended a group of 15 undocumented immigrants from Congo early Tuesday morning.

“Our Border Patrol agents are facing more unique challenges every day as the number of family units from different regions of the world continue to increase,” said Del Rio Sector Acting Chief Patrol Agent Randy Davis.

On May 28, agents performing line watch operations apprehended a group of 15 undocumented immigrants after they illegally made entry into the United States. During initial interviews, it was determined that all 15 were nationals of Congo. The group consisted of five adult males, five adult females, and five minor children. They were transported to the Eagle Pass South Border Patrol Station and processed per U.S. Customs and Border Protection guidelines.

All people apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol undergo criminal history checks utilizing multiple databases including the use of biometrics to ensure those with criminal history are positively identified regardless of their immigration status.

Since the beginning of Fiscal Year 2019, which began Oct. 1, 2018, agents have apprehended more than 23,000 people from countries other than Mexico, who made their way into the United States illegally. This number is a 450 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2018 to date.
The Del Rio Border Patrol Sector is part of the Joint Task Force-West South Texas Corridor, which leverages federal, state and local resources to combat transnational criminal organizations. To report suspicious activity call the Del Rio Sector’s toll free number at 1-866-511-8727.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between official ports of entry. CBP is charged with securing the borders of the United States while enforcing hundreds of laws and facilitating lawful trade and travel.

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https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-mexic ... der-crisis

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New Mexico Democratic governor pulled troops from border 'charade' — now she's demanding federal help over border crisis


Political pandering is not practical, it appears

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New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) has heavily criticized President Donald Trump's immigration agenda and the administration's overall response to the border crisis.

In February, she condemned what she called Trump's "charade of border fear-mongering" and announced she was withdrawing most of the New Mexico National Guard troops deployed to the U.S.-Mexico border in her state.

"I reject the federal contention that there exists an overwhelming national security crisis at the Southern border," Lujan Grisham said, according to NPR.


Her comments came just more than one week before Trump declared a national emergency in response to the overwhelming migrant crisis at the border.

But now, more than three months after her public campaign of opposition against the Trump administration, Lujan Grisham is seeking the federal government's assistance to manage the impacts of the border crisis on New Mexico.


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According to KOAT-TV, Lujan Grisham met with federal officials in Washington, D.C., last week, including acting-Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan, to discuss the ongoing crisis.


Lujan Grisham asked McAleenan to increase government personnel at the border and requested reimbursement for humanitarian assistance, among other resources.

"The governor wants to continue to urge the federal government to increase its personnel on the border as a means of improving the logistical and communications output," the governor's spokesman, Tripp Stelnicki, told KOAT.

How did Republicans react?

Considering Lujan Grisham's public outcry against the Trump administration, Republicans had a field day with her trip to Washington.

"She declares there's no crisis. She removes the National Guard, and now she's there asking for money," New Mexico GOP Chairman Steve Pearce mocked, KOAT reported.

"Everything in her actions indicate that she believes there's a crisis, but yet she will not dedicate the resources or request to her colleagues in Congress to start passing the laws that will change the situation there," he criticized. "The border communities are going to continue to be overrun."




Ironic, isn’t it.

At the very minimum, DHS & the White House should request, as a condition of addditional federal assistance, that the governor reinstate (and increase) any NM National Guard resources that she pulled after her comments in February.

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