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 Post subject: Re: Italian election explained
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:27 am 
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The far right won and will form a coalition.

The left suffered a major defeat.

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abradley wrote:
The far right won and will form a coalition.

The left suffered a major defeat.


I have to laugh when I read this stuff... the "left" vs the "far right."

I would say...

The right won and the far left suffered a major defeat.

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It is an effect of the EU. Now the national governments and institutions don't have any more a real power. The main things are decided at the European level, with the Commission or the ECB for example. So now, the people trust less their own government, seeing them as weak, unable to take a real decision. The main victim of that system is the social democracy, which is desappearing in Europe.


All as planned.

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Italy now is a problem for the EU. Interesting to see how the things are going to develop.

As Italy Seeks to Form a Government, Leaked Documents Stir Anxiety

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ROME — Talks between two anti-establishment parties to form a new Italian government seemed to be regaining momentum on Wednesday, even as financial markets were spooked by leaked documents that suggested the two sides shared a desire to radically change Italy’s relationship with the European Union.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:30 am 
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Italy is corrupt as hell. And so unstable politically they'll have a new government in a year.

Fun to watch the fireworks but I don't think it'll be as existential a crisis to the EU as all that, mores the pity. They'll try and wait Italy out I imagine.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:35 am 
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Italy is corrupt as hell. And so unstable politically they'll have a new government in a year.

Fun to watch the fireworks but I don't think it'll be as existential a crisis to the EU as all that, mores the pity. They'll try and wait Italy out I imagine.


My bold emphasis above.

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Since 1945, Italy experienced 62 governments, with an average tenure of only 1.2 years per government.

https://chargedaffairs.org/italy-economic-challenges/

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Italy is corrupt as hell. And so unstable politically they'll have a new government in a year.

Fun to watch the fireworks but I don't think it'll be as existential a crisis to the EU as all that, mores the pity. They'll try and wait Italy out I imagine.

If Italy left the EU, it would be able to recover economically because it would not any more belong to the eurozone, and so would become more competitive. That would be a problem for France which would have an unbereable situation in the euro. So that would be the end of the currency.

It is possible that with the current situation in Italy the rates of interest of the debts increase. That would be a problem for many countries in the eurozone, France among them.


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The impression I get is that the parties running Italy, while eurosceptic, have rowed back a bit from the more hardline stance they took in the past.

So Italy won't be leaving even now.

Federica Mogherini being a dead duck would be an improvement on things though. :lol:

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There are basically two main ideas for the economy: basic income for all and flat tax of 15% for all. :roll:

And with a grand bargain, a compromise is agreed: both are applied. :lol:

Nice idea though.

PS. A parallel in Finnish language: Asiat voi tehdä hyvin tai huonosti, ja jos kompromissi tehdään, asiat tehdään hyvin huonosti. :lol:
PPS. Pity those who don't understand. :(

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The EU will always find someone to defend it, even if it is not very democratic. The treaties are more important than the people sovereignty for those people. Again, an excuse to defend something that is less and less defendable in the mind of many european citizens.

Italy's prime-minister designate abandons efforts to form a government after cabinet nominee vetoed

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Italy's political future has grown more uncertain as the president refused to approve a cabinet minister and the country’s prime minister-in-waiting failed to form the continent’s first populist government.

After emerging from the Quirinal presidential palace, prime minister-designate Giuseppe Conte did not say why he could not form what would have been Western Europe’s first populist coalition.

But Italian President Sergio Mattarella told the nation minutes later he had refused to accept the nominee the eurosceptic League and 5-Star Movement parties had put forward for the key economic ministry.

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