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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:12 am 
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abradley wrote:
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I'll start with "Wisdom begins from acknowledgement of facts"
-Paasikivi, president of Republic of Finland."

Where do I get these facts?

There are facts, there are conclusions and there are opinions.

A fact is that WW II happened. Another fact is that a typical main battle tank costs, say, 3-8 million $ and has most of it's armor on it's front.
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Quite a jump from previously unmentioned WW2 and main battle tanks to religion, yes?

Based on facts, right?


I was trying to answer what the difference is between facts, conclusions and opinions. I just started typing without an elaborate plan and I didn't go back to revise and improve upon the text or it's structure. This is why it looks like a page from a notebook filled with random notions.

Essentially, we do know what facts are and how to get facts. The problem is that ideological fanatics fueled by religion or idealism tend to blur the lines between the three to the point where they start taking opinions for facts as we see with people like liberal capitalists, communists, SJWs, religious fanatics and so.

The point about main battle tanks was simple. You take two countries, if one has overwhelming numbers of MBTs and other military equipment and they share a long land border, it becomes a fact that the other one earns certain amount of influence due to it's military might.

I tried to draw the mental bridge from easily recognized simple facts such as costs and quantities to more abstract but still solid and real facts such as convictions, influence and so.

For it is a fact that countries with powerful militaries are more influential than less powerful countries. It is also a fact that due to how human societies operate that you cannot simply go around with free hands telling people what to do - eventually others will call you for potential bluff and even be ready to die for their convictions.

Hence how some things we regard as opinions can also be facts, depending on how we view them and for what purpose.

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Nero has flagged this topic and wants me to ban myself. :roll:

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doggie wrote:
Nero has flagged this topic and wants me to ban myself. :roll:



And here I thought Nero just loved people talking about him.

Must be all the fascist Nazis in this thread. :P

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NefariousKoel wrote:
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Must be all the fascist Nazis in this thread. :P

True.

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doggie wrote:
Nero has flagged this topic and wants me to ban myself. :roll:

But you can ban yourself, can't you?

Auto-banning is the word of the day. :lol:

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