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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:21 am 
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"Keep Sweden Swedish," that doesn't sound the least bit "racist" or even necessarily exclusionary or elitist.


Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei sounds even less sinister - if you just look to the name. "Keep Sweden Swedish" implies that you 'should get rid of the non-Swedish elements' to ensure that the nation is kept Swedish...


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:33 am 
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wulfir wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:
"Keep Sweden Swedish," that doesn't sound the least bit "racist" or even necessarily exclusionary or elitist.


Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei sounds even less sinister - if you just look to the name. "Keep Sweden Swedish" implies that you 'should get rid of the non-Swedish elements' to ensure that the nation is kept Swedish...


Only if the multicultural worldview is the only one you acknowledge.

Over here the former head of the Commission of Racial Equality, the guy who actually coined the term 'Islamophobia', now admits that multiculturalism has been a disaster and that integration is far preferable.

So... Swedification, then? Free IKEA, julmust and salty liquorice for all migrants!

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wulfir wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:
"Keep Sweden Swedish," that doesn't sound the least bit "racist" or even necessarily exclusionary or elitist.


Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei sounds even less sinister - if you just look to the name. "Keep Sweden Swedish" implies that you 'should get rid of the non-Swedish elements' to ensure that the nation is kept Swedish...


Well maybe it is more complex and subtle than you are alluding to, and the group really are a bunch of racist goons . . . but "keeping a group's identity intact" does not strike me as being an inherently unethical, unjust, unfair, or evil vision, i.e., what we might call "wrong."

I guess what it hinges on is: what do groups like that consider to be the defining characteristics of "non-Swedish elements?" Is a person of non-Scandinavian phenotype and ancestry (lets say a person whose parents were born in Afghanistan) but who is for all intents and purposes "just like any model Swede" inherently "non-Swedish?" From my perspective as an American, ANYONE can be American, as long as they are willing to BE AMERICAN, which means not adhering to belief systems which are mutually exclusive with American values. For example, I'd consider most prevailing notions of Islam to be mutually exclusive with American values for a few simple reasons:

1. Apostasy is a thing in effectively all denominations of Islam as far as I'm aware. Denying anyone the freedom to enter and leave a "religion" (or any other institution, group, or belief) at their own discretion, is most assuredly mutually exclusive with American values. There is really no debate: if you cannot accept that anyone and everyone is free, including all Muslims, then you are--in spite of citizenship, language and everything else--NOT AMERICAN, and until you relinquish this belief one cannot BE AMERICAN.

2. Discrimination based on sex, sexuality, etc. Also universal to all denominations of Islam.

3. Religious supremacism and violent religious "Imperialism," as far as I can tell, a belief which is acted out by a relatively small fraction of the global Islamic population, but which is believed and promoted by the large, if not vast majority.

America is and always should be AMERICAN, not anything antithetical to American-ness. In the prevailing notions of what "American-ness" means, race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity are just not part of the requisites to "American-ness." Only the most fringe, idiotic KKK types would argue that "being Black is un-American" or that "being gay is un-American" or whatever . . . Now granted, with something like Islam maybe we are probably in a bit more of a gray area, but IMO that still doesn't constitute an "wrong" vision. Arguably, because it is inherently mutually exclusive with American values (freedom to put it simply) regarding Islam as "un-American" is perhaps not unreasonable.

Getting back to the NSDAP . . . Hitler's message was profusely racialist and racist, and moreover it was largely contrary to prevailing notions of individual autonomy and national sovereignty. If you were to take out these malicious elements, honestly I don't see what was wrong with NSDAP: it energized, organized, and promoted the prosperity and solidarity of Germans in the wake of the Versailles humiliation and depression. Perhaps it is unrealistic to imagine such a potent salutary effect WITHOUT the malicious and "wrong" side-effects, I'm not sure. Perhaps without the untermensch boogeymen and the Lebensraum vision, none of the positive effects of Naziism on German society would have come to pass and the society would have remained in a state of economic and social stagnation instead of tremendous growth and vitality.

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wulfir wrote:


Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei sounds even less sinister - if you just look to the name. "Keep Sweden Swedish" implies that you 'should get rid of the non-Swedish elements' to ensure that the nation is kept Swedish...


Only if the multicultural worldview is the only one you acknowledge.

Over here the former head of the Commission of Racial Equality, the guy who actually coined the term 'Islamophobia', now admits that multiculturalism has been a disaster and that integration is far preferable.

So... Swedification, then? Free IKEA, julmust and salty liquorice for all migrants!



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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Anthropoid wrote:
Well maybe it is more complex and subtle than you are alluding to, and the group really are a bunch of racist goons . . . but "keeping a group's identity intact" does not strike me as being an inherently unethical, unjust, unfair, or evil vision, i.e., what we might call "wrong."


BSS was not a party, it was an campaign organisation with one issue in mind; to stop foreigners to come to Sweden and get rid of those that were here (esp. non-Europeans).

It was founded in 1979, and handed out flyers in some cities down south. Their first flyer included this somewhat oddly worded text (my translation):

"Immigration to Sweden threatens the Swedes. Every year Swedes grow fewer and the immigrants become more numerous. Within four generations there will no longer be any Swedish Sweden. The immigrants and their descendants have totally ocupied Sweden. But maybe a Truk as dictator and a negro as foreign minister.* The people will then become a chocolate brown mixpeople that does not speak Swedish but different languages in a chaotic mix."

*This somewhat confusing sentence is translated as close to the Swedish original as I can.


source, in Swedish:
http://www.sdarkivet.se/index.php?id=125


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wulfir wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:
Well maybe it is more complex and subtle than you are alluding to, and the group really are a bunch of racist goons . . . but "keeping a group's identity intact" does not strike me as being an inherently unethical, unjust, unfair, or evil vision, i.e., what we might call "wrong."


BSS was not a party, it was an campaign organisation with one issue in mind; to stop foreigners to come to Sweden and get rid of those that were here (esp. non-Europeans).

It was founded in 1979, and handed out flyers in some cities down south. Their first flyer included this somewhat oddly worded text (my translation):

"Immigration to Sweden threatens the Swedes. Every year Swedes grow fewer and the immigrants become more numerous. Within four generations there will no longer be any Swedish Sweden. The immigrants and their descendants have totally ocupied Sweden. But maybe a Truk as dictator and a negro as foreign minister.* The people will then become a chocolate brown mixpeople that does not speak Swedish but different languages in a chaotic mix."

*This somewhat confusing sentence is translated as close to the Swedish original as I can.


source, in Swedish:
http://www.sdarkivet.se/index.php?id=125


Ah okay. So yeah, they sound pretty racist and inflammatory.

Still "Keep Sweden Swedish" does NOT convey the discriminatory and exclusionary sentiments which the text above does! :D

All this to say . . . we citizens of the free world need to be very specific in what it is we find objectionable.

I find the suggestion that a person of "negro" or "Turk" ancestry is unfit to be a leader or in a position of power to be objectionable; and you and probably most of us on here would agree with that. It is racist and ignorant.

I also find the suggestion that a person of "negro" or "Turk" ancestry must be given carte blanche because of their identity to be objectionable; another thing that many of us on here would agree with, but which the multi-culturals who are in control in Sweden and other places in Europe would NOT object to it seems.

I believe the error of the "Social Justice" movement (to use the term broadly) is in NOT removing issues of "race," ethnicity or ancestry from assessments of merit, but in IMPOSING them quite vigorously, and insisting that the white male racist norms of the last 100 years were basically the REVERSE of what is just. In sum, affording "minorities" and "others" greater privilege and deference.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Anthropoid wrote:

I believe the error of the "Social Justice" movement (to use the term broadly) is in NOT removing issues of "race," ethnicity or ancestry from assessments of merit, but in IMPOSING them quite vigorously, and insisting that the white male racist norms of the last 100 years were basically the REVERSE of what is just. In sum, affording "minorities" and "others" greater privilege and deference.



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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Anthropoid wrote:
Ah okay. So yeah, they sound pretty racist and inflammatory.

Still "Keep Sweden Swedish" does NOT convey the discriminatory and exclusionary sentiments which the text above does! :D


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The text on the right says:

Sweden Wake Up!

Problem: Mass immigration
Effect: Poverty
Remedy: Return trip

Sweden Democrats

Warning!
To Swedish girls!
Avoid unprotected sex with
negroes who carry lethal AIDS!
Preferably do not shame your race,
Your Sweden, Your family and relatives
Abortions only as an emergency meassure
Keep Sweden Swedish


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Ah thanks Wulfir. Yeah, they sound like nutters!

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Only if the multicultural worldview is the only one you acknowledge.


Maybe it makes a difference if you have previous knowledge of BSS. Here's another translated text from the 1980s, originally under the title 'How soon can I become Swedish':


"Effectinve cleansing operations must begin in our cities. All these windblown exsitances from more southern latitudes who don't have any reason for being in this country, who have come here only to exploit our hospitality and without any knowledge about how to behave as a guest in a foreign country, must be resent to their country of origin. The people's campaign Keep Sweden Swedish demands: Guard our Swedish youth! Support the establishment of Swedish families! Stop the immigration!
Keep Sweden Swedish"


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http://polimasaren.se/tag/bevara-sverige-svenskt/


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