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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:48 pm 
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FBI obtained a FISA warrant on Trump advisor Carter Page during the campaign. :shock:

Weren't we already told nothing like that happened by both Comey and Clapper?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 56c6198f33


No, you were told that there was no FISA ordered against the Trump Tower, You were also told that Obama did not and could not order the FBI to wiretap anything. All these show that for some reason, the republican Comey thought that it was reasonable to suspect Page and a judge agreed with him!

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FBI obtained a FISA warrant on Trump advisor Carter Page during the campaign. :shock:

Weren't we already told nothing like that happened by both Comey and Clapper?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 56c6198f33


Oh well, it wasn't THAT type of FISA warrant by the FBI that they were talking about . . .

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:30 pm 
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jack t ripper wrote:
FBI obtained a FISA warrant on Trump advisor Carter Page during the campaign. :shock:

Weren't we already told nothing like that happened by both Comey and Clapper?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 56c6198f33




I LOL'd hard at the WaPo trying to spin such a revelation as more proof that The Russian Chinese Candidate investigation has been justified.. and that some kind of incriminating evidence will eventually be found. Maybe in a few generations.

ROFL. WaPo may as well have titled that article "We're A Cesspool Of Democrat Toadies". :lol: :lol:


Meanwhile, the previous Admin gets away with more than Nixon ever did. And the toadies like WaPo are playing it down as best they can. This is fucking comical. They keep pumping out increasingly ridiculous blowjob pieces - gets better & better.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:53 pm 
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Turns out this guy never even MET Trump but did supply some kind of position paper for the campaign. Even so, he was listed as an advisor to the Trump campaign at one point. The FBI has been investigating for most of a year and....?

Also, how could Comey NOT know there was a FISA warrant and NOT know the guy had some advisory role to the Trump campaign..after all that was the full reason for the investigation?

How could Clapper not know?

It begins t seem they are both liars. Clapper is already a proven liar. I realize they may not be able to answer everything in open session....fine...then just say "no comment".

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Turns out this guy never even MET Trump but did supply some kind of position paper for the campaign. Even so, he was listed as an advisor to the Trump campaign at one point. The FBI has been investigating for most of a year and....?

Also, how could Comey NOT know there was a FISA warrant and NOT know the guy had some advisory role to the Trump campaign..after all that was the full reason for the investigation?

How could Clapper not know?

It begins t seem they are both liars. Clapper is already a proven liar. I realize they may not be able to answer everything in open session....fine...then just say "no comment".


Without evidence, you can say whatever you want. The videos and the statements show that they did not lie and Nunes proved why they could not share a lot of information. Not to mention that it is stupid to make this information public and lose the ability to monitor a lead which can bring you more evidence regarding the magnitude of the Russian ring around the Trump administration.

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I also appreciated how the WaPo story is unwittingly sowing the defeat of the very agenda it is seeking to promote. Pretty weak when your best "ammunition" blows up before it leaves the barrel!

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jack t ripper wrote:
Turns out this guy never even MET Trump but did supply some kind of position paper for the campaign. Even so, he was listed as an advisor to the Trump campaign at one point. The FBI has been investigating for most of a year and....?

Also, how could Comey NOT know there was a FISA warrant and NOT know the guy had some advisory role to the Trump campaign..after all that was the full reason for the investigation?

How could Clapper not know?

It begins t seem they are both liars. Clapper is already a proven liar. I realize they may not be able to answer everything in open session....fine...then just say "no comment".


Without evidence, you can say whatever you want. The videos and the statements show that they did not lie and Nunes proved why they could not share a lot of information. Not to mention that it is stupid to make this information public and lose the ability to monitor a lead which can bring you more evidence regarding the magnitude of the Russian ring around the Trump administration.


It is appropriate to not divulge an active investigation. It is not appropriate to falsely claim that no FISA warrant was sought on a member of the Trump team. Both Comey and Clapper said that publicly with no wiggle room and now we find it is bullshit.

We have a WaPo story naming a name and we have the alleged target evidently already aware he is a target going out publicly and saying the allegations are false..note that he does not express shock because he is already aware.

How about the heads of the intelligence agencies not fucking lie to Congress? That seems like a sensible standard, eh?

"We don't have a video"....Jeez, what are you, a retard? There is no video of the Mayflower landing either.

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jack t ripper wrote:

It is appropriate to not divulge an active investigation. It is not appropriate to falsely claim that no FISA warrant was sought on a member of the Trump team. Both Comey and Clapper said that publicly with no wiggle room and now we find it is bullshit.

We have a WaPo story naming a name and we have the alleged target evidently already aware he is a target going out publicly and saying the allegations are false..note that he does not express shock because he is already aware.

How about the heads of the intelligence agencies not fucking lie to Congress? That seems like a sensible standard, eh?

"We don't have a video"....Jeez, what are you, a retard? There is no video of the Mayflower landing either.


First of all, you need to show the quotes with their lies

Second, Page LEFT the campaign at some point. So, you do not know if the FISA order was issued after this

Third, all the new developments show that you are too eager to ask for the end of the investigation despite the fact that it is obvious that there are things you (and all of us) do not know. Page may have already accepted a plea bargain and may already collaborate with the FBI, or there may be other FISA orders issued last month or there may be other things we do not know. In other words, it is obvious that people who talk about ending the investigation are irrational and simply express their fear that the Trump team may find itself in deep trouble. Notice, by the way, that even if is is shown that the Trump administration did not know about the possible illegal activities of some of its members, there is still a huge political cost.

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"End the investigation"? Shit no. I want to see Susan Rice take the 5th live in the Senate and see her psychiatrist once a week. Sadly, the perp walk and an orange jumpsuit may be too much to ask for Susie but there is hope we find the leaker.

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According to The Guardian, there was indeed a British link to the investigation of Trump associates. In fact, MI-6 alerted the CIA in a director to director in-person communication. This suggest strongly some type of surveilance

Of course, that doesn't prove a British plot to defeat Trump but it does make Trump's claim seem a bit less paranoid.

It's not really paranoia is people really ARE spying on you. :lol:

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British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia





Exclusive: GCHQ is said to have alerted US agencies after becoming aware of contacts in 2015


It is understood that GCHQ was not carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team, but picked up the alleged conversations by chance.

That's what they always say. :lol:


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Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

The issue of GCHQ’s role in the FBI’s ongoing investigation into possible cooperation between the Trump campaign and Moscow is highly sensitive. In March Trump tweeted that Barack Obama had illegally “wiretapped” him in Trump Tower.

The White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, claimed the “British spying agency” GCHQ had carried out the bugging. Spicer cited an unsubstantiated report on Fox News. Fox later distanced itself from the report.


The claims prompted an extremely unusual rebuke from GCHQ, which generally refrains from commenting on all intelligence matters. The agency described the allegations first made by a former judge turned media commentator, Andrew Napolitano, as “nonsense”.


“They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored,” a spokesperson for GCHQ said.

Instead both US and UK intelligence sources acknowledge that GCHQ played an early, prominent role in kickstarting the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, which began in late July 2016.

One source called the British eavesdropping agency the “principal whistleblower”.


The Guardian has been told the FBI and the CIA were slow to appreciate the extensive nature of contacts between Trump’s team and Moscow ahead of the US election. This was in part due to US law that prohibits US agencies from examining the private communications of American citizens without warrants. “They are trained not to do this,” the source stressed.


“It looks like the [US] agencies were asleep,” the source added. “They [the European agencies] were saying: ‘There are contacts going on between people close to Mr Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.’


“The message was: ‘Watch out. There’s something not right here.’”



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Robert Hannigan delivering a speech at GCHQ in Cheltenham in 2015. Photograph: Ben Birchall/Reuters
According to one account, GCHQ’s then head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. The matter was deemed so sensitive it was handled at “director level”. After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation.


In late August and September Brennan gave a series of classified briefings to the Gang of Eight, the top-ranking Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and Senate. He told them the agency had evidence the Kremlin might be trying to help Trump to win the presidency, the New York Times reported.

One person familiar with the matter said Brennan did not reveal sources but made reference to the fact that America’s intelligence allies had provided information. Trump subsequently learned of GCHQ’s role, the person said.

The person described US intelligence as being “very late to the game”. The FBI’s director, James Comey, altered his position after the election and Trump’s victory, becoming “more affirmative” and with a “higher level of concern”.

Comey’s apparent shift may have followed a mid-October decision by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court to approve a secret surveillance order. The order gave permission for the Department of Justice to investigate two banks suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s undercover influence operation.

According to the BBC, the justice department’s request came after a tipoff from an intelligence agency in one of the Baltic states. This is believed to be Estonia.

The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the same order covered Carter Page, one of Trump’s associates. It allowed the FBI and the justice department to monitor Page’s communications. Page, a former foreign policy aide, was suspected of being an agent of influence working for Russia, the paper said, citing US officials.


The application covered contacts Page allegedly had in 2013 with a Russian foreign intelligence agent, and other undisclosed meetings with Russian operatives, the Post said. Page denies wrongdoing and complained of “unjustified, politically motivated government surveillance”.

Late last year Comey threw more FBI resources into what became a far-reaching counter-intelligence investigation. In March he confirmed before the House intelligence committee that the agency was examining possible cooperation between Moscow and members of the Trump campaign to sway the US election.


Comey and the NSA director, Admiral Michael Rogers, said there was no basis for the president’s claim that he was a victim of Obama “wiretapping”. Trump had likened the unproved allegation to “McCarthyism”.

Britain’s MI6 spy agency played a part in intelligence sharing with the US, one source said. MI6 declined to comment. Its former chief Sir Richard Dearlove described Trump’s wiretapping claim on Thursday as “simply deeply embarrassing for Trump and the administration”.

“The only possible explanation is that Trump started tweeting without understanding how the NSA-GCHQ relationship actually works,” Dearlove told Prospect magazine.

A GCHQ spokesperson said: “It is longstanding policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters”.

It is unclear which individuals were picked up by British surveillance.

In a report last month the New York Times, citing three US intelligence officials, said warning signs had been building throughout last summer but were far from clear. As WikiLeaks published emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee, US agencies began picking up conversations in which Russians were discussing contacts with Trump associates, the paper said.

European allies were supplying information about people close to Trump meeting with Russians in Britain, the Netherlands and in other countries, the Times said.

There are now multiple investigations going on in Washington into Trump campaign officials and Russia. They include the FBI-led counter-espionage investigation and probes by both the House and Senate intelligence committees.

Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House committee, has expressed an interest in hearing from Christopher Steele, the former MI6 officer whose dossier accuses the president of long-term cooperation with Vladimir Putin’s Moscow. Trump and Putin have both dismissed the dossier as fake.

One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said. “This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”

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