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 Post subject: Como Estais, Amigos
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Seems a little like Argentine propaganda.

The whole thing was stupid. Argentine Skyhawk and Super Entendard pilots were first class but the crew of Belgrano and the ground troops were just recruits.

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jack t ripper wrote:
Seems a little like Argentine propaganda.


It's a clip from the movie Soldado Argentino solo conocido por Dios. The whole thing is on youtube - but I don't speak Spanish, so I won't judge the propaganda level. Should be a crime to upload without English subtitles though...

The British held a competence advantage, sure - but that is not always enough to win. Some Argies were not entirely hopeless. Put up a credible fight at Mount Langdon. IIRC the 12,7mm MG crews reinforcing the defence there were not conscripts but some sort of Naval Infantry...


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The Falklands war was a sad affair.
If it wasn't for Thatcher the Argentinians would still occupy the Islands, while the UN and World courts are still debating away.

Think the Argentinian Generals were expecting a diplomatic war, rather then the full military response they got.

The men who died on both sides for no good reason.

She was something else.

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abradley wrote:
The Falklands war was a sad affair.


Nonetheless - there are lessons to be drawn.


abradley wrote:
The men who died on both sides for no good reason.

She was something else.


I assume your standpoint is that she was a great leader that did the right thing...


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Argentina's decision to instigate a war strikes me as like, pre-industrial era, age of fiefdoms grade sovereign stupidity. Maybe even early city-state level, "I'm the God-King! Bow or you will feel my wrath!" grade stupidity . . .

No matter how "heroic" or "exceptional" anything any given Argentine involved might have done, it is hard to get past that overarching conclusion: that the whole bloody mess was a completely unnecessary, completely stupid, and wholly Argentine originated mess.

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No matter how "heroic" or "exceptional" anything any given Argentine involved might have done, it is hard to get past that overarching conclusion: that the whole bloody mess was a completely unnecessary, completely stupid, and wholly Argentine originated mess.


Sure. Obviously a gamble that did not pay off.

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wulfir wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:
No matter how "heroic" or "exceptional" anything any given Argentine involved might have done, it is hard to get past that overarching conclusion: that the whole bloody mess was a completely unnecessary, completely stupid, and wholly Argentine originated mess.


Sure. Obviously a gamble that did not pay off.

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The term "gamble" implies that there is something to be "won."

Managing to annex the Falklands hardly seems to constitute anything like a "prize" for Argentina. Even if they had managed to annex it, it likely would have been an administrative, legal, financial, and international relations disaster for years to come, and the wool exports hardly seem sufficient to cover the expenses, much less constitute a "winning pot."

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Even if they had managed to annex it, it likely would have been an administrative, legal, financial, and international relations disaster for years to come, and the wool exports hardly seem sufficient to cover the expenses, much less constitute a "winning pot."


Perhaps, perhaps not. I did not say it was rational, but they tried it. :P


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Anthropoid wrote:
wulfir wrote:


Sure. Obviously a gamble that did not pay off.

Como estais amigos
For the death of those we don't know
Shall we kneel and say a prayer


The term "gamble" implies that there is something to be "won."

Managing to annex the Falklands hardly seems to constitute anything like a "prize" for Argentina. Even if they had managed to annex it, it likely would have been an administrative, legal, financial, and international relations disaster for years to come, and the wool exports hardly seem sufficient to cover the expenses, much less constitute a "winning pot."



At the time of the Argentine invasion, the justification would seem to have been more of a symbolic thing....but I would think now there is the potential for oil.
I have not paid attention to it lately but I do recall previously hearing that there were potentially several billion barrels of oil in offshore areas around the Falklands.
That could have been a boon for Argentina.

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