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Author:  wulfir [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winter War (2017)

nero wrote:
The same goes with -30°C. ;)


Not counting Finns darting in and out of their houses to get their mail - people tend to be prepared at -30 C, but less so at 0 C. That is really the secret behind the supposed "0 degrees wet killer cold that is much worse than real cold". :lol:

Author:  nero [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winter War (2017)

wulfir wrote:
nero wrote:
The same goes with -30°C. ;)


Not counting Finns darting in and out of their houses to get their mail - people tend to be prepared at -30 C, but less so at 0 C. That is really the secret behind the supposed "0 degrees wet killer cold that is much worse than real cold". :lol:

Welcome to Helsinki. ;)

Author:  Kameolontti [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Winter War (2017)

wulfir wrote:
nero wrote:
The same goes with -30°C. ;)


Not counting Finns darting in and out of their houses to get their mail - people tend to be prepared at -30 C, but less so at 0 C. That is really the secret behind the supposed "0 degrees wet killer cold that is much worse than real cold". :lol:


Windchill isn't a thing and I only have ever darted outside.

Good to know.

But that is also correct about people preparing better for the really cold weather. Then again not everyone needs a jacket at 10C.

I suppose what you're trying to say is that there's acclimatization and then there's physics. There's no acclimatization against your cells actually freezing but two different people can survive very different things. For instance if two people pass out outdoors in -25C one can survive what the other can't.

As for the real killer, people never take into account the 'effective temperature' and windchill. Ever actually spent some time in moist gale wind? That shit kills you faster than any inland minus temp.

Author:  chijohnaok [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Winter War (2017)

Kameolontti wrote:
wulfir wrote:


Not counting Finns darting in and out of their houses to get their mail - people tend to be prepared at -30 C, but less so at 0 C. That is really the secret behind the supposed "0 degrees wet killer cold that is much worse than real cold". :lol:


Windchill isn't a thing and I only have ever darted outside.

Good to know.

But that is also correct about people preparing better for the really cold weather. Then again not everyone needs a jacket at 10C.

I suppose what you're trying to say is that there's acclimatization and then there's physics. There's no acclimatization against your cells actually freezing but two different people can survive very different things. For instance if two people pass out outdoors in -25C one can survive what the other can't.

As for the real killer, people never take into account the 'effective temperature' and windchill. Ever actually spent some time in moist gale wind? That shit kills you faster than any inland minus temp.



Acclimatization is a thing (maybe at least psychologically). I was born and grew up in Chicago where we have a change of seasons and can have some pretty cold winters.
Then I moved to central Florida in the year 2000. The first year in Florida that December rolled around I noticed the the difference between myselves and the "native" Floridians.
I remember one day I was waiting in line to pay for something in a department store. It was about 65 degrees F (18 C) outside and I had gone there after work. I was dressed in slacks and a short sleeve shirt. The lady in line ahead of me was wearing boots, a 3/4 length wool coat and had gloves on. I was comfortable in a short sleeve shirt and she felt the need to bundle up.

Author:  Kameolontti [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Winter War (2017)

chijohnaok wrote:
Acclimatization is a thing (maybe at least psychologically). I was born and grew up in Chicago where we have a change of seasons and can have some pretty cold winters.
Then I moved to central Florida in the year 2000. The first year in Florida that December rolled around I noticed the the difference between myselves and the "native" Floridians.
I remember one day I was waiting in line to pay for something in a department store. It was about 65 degrees F (18 C) outside and I had gone there after work. I was dressed in slacks and a short sleeve shirt. The lady in line ahead of me was wearing boots, a 3/4 length wool coat and had gloves on. I was comfortable in a short sleeve shirt and she felt the need to bundle up.


I had the same experience in Riviera. It was ~15C, I waded in the Mediterranean and walked about in a t-shirt. Everyone of the locals was wearing winter fur coats, fur hats and gloves, the kind of stuff we wear when it's -20C or more. They said on the radio that "orange weather alert" had been issued and some homeless people had died.

I've had friends pass out in -20C, wake up in the morning feeling crappy and walk home and no, they weren't equipped to pass out in -20C. One was a girl.

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