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 Post subject: Re: More news from a the people's paradise.....
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:25 am 
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Without the services of the embassy, they could find themselves in a tight spot as the situation continues to deteriorate. Before considering any military aid, we should probably work on getting them all out of there until this mess is cleaned up.


Screw that. American taxpayers should not have to foot the bill to rescue people whose economic loyalties are with foreign powers.


I would tend to agree in this case.

It's not as if Venezuela suddenly collapsed overnight without warning.

This has been a slow moving mudslide for years now.
Plenty of updates in the media regarding what has been going on.
Plenty of warning from the US Embassy.

If US citizens have not taken the many many opportunities to leave Venezuela, then at this point the US should not be wasting its resources or risking the lives of its service members to get them out.

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Venezuela Sells $400 Million In Gold As It Struggles To Pay Russian Debt

JOHN SEXTON
Posted at 9:21 pm on April 15, 2019

Today Bloomberg reports that Venezuela has once again dipped into its gold reserves to the tune of $400 million dollars:

Venezuela sold about $400 million in gold despite a growing international push to freeze the country’s assets, according to two people with knowledge of the matter.
The amount, which would equal almost 9 tons, was reflected by a drop in the bank’s total reserves, which fell to $8.6 billion on April 12, according to data provided by the central bank. About $5.1 billion of that is gold…

Venezuela’s central bank, headed by Calixto Ortega, has been operating with what it calls an emergency team of only about 100 workers of about 2,000 since a power outage left its headquarters without running water.


The piece doesn’t speculate why Venezuela is selling gold now but one possibility is raised by the fact that the country is late with a $100 million payment to Russia. From TASS:

Venezuela has not yet made another payment on its $3 bln debt to Russia that was due to be made in March, Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak said on Monday…
At the end of March, crisis-shaken Venezuela was expected to pay over $100 mln on its debt to Russia. In early April, Russia’s First Deputy Minister, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said that Caracas had the right to transfer the payment within a month.


As I’ve written before, Venezuela is a one-horse economy. The country has really just one export which is oil. The country has some of the largest oil reserves in the world. But when Chavez nationalized the industry he filled the oil industry with cronies who were loyal to him. The result has been a gradual slide in production as people who actually knew what they were doing were forced out. Today, CNN published a story about the current, decrepit state of Venezuela’s oil industry:

A group of oil workers with state oil company PDVSA want to take CNN to look at the nearby Salinas oil field.

“Populism finished all of this. Do you see this! Nothing works anymore,” says Hector Berti, 48, referring to the aging oil infrastructure on the glasslike lake, “the government finished us completely.”

The oil workers say that the money intended to maintain PDVSA’s equipment ended up elsewhere. They point to the thick layer of polluting oil sludge blanketing the shoreline of evidence of neglect…

After decades working for the company Berti says he was fired just a few days ago by the company for speaking out. He and the others-who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal-could be picked up by Venezuelan intelligence for talking to journalists.


It’s not going to get better under current circumstances where even the workers who haven’t been fired say they don’t make enough to feed themselves. And they are better off than many who have no jobs and in some cases, no power and no water. The former head of the chamber of commerce for Maracaibo describes his city this way, “It is like ‘The Walking Dead.'”



Maduro’s time is running out.
He (Venezuela) owes Putin ALOT of money and Putin isn’t the kind of guy that will take “no” for an answer.

And the last italicized section in the article summarizes how Maduro (and his predecessor Chavez) managed to take a country with some of the largest oil reserves on the planet, a country that was producing 3.5 million barrels per day in when Hugo Chavez took office and run the country and it’s oil business into the ground.

They diverted profits from the nationalized oil company to welfare and social justice efforts for the country (I supposed justifiable) but they also failed to spend sufficient money’s on petroleum company maintenance and oil prospecting. They, more than likely, diverted billions into their own pockets and the pockets of their cronies. As of 2018, the country was only pumping about 1.5 million barrels per day.

Along the way, Maduro/Chavez have made life miserable for millions of Venezuelans.

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I read this book back in the 70s ... it was called "Atlas Shrugged" :lol:

It was supposed to be fiction ...

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Some very good points raised by Mr. Carlson.

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Unless we have secure borders, intervening anywhere outside our borders seems ridiculous.

Even if we Had secure borders, intervening anywhere outside them seems quite dubious.

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Unless we have secure borders, intervening anywhere outside our borders seems ridiculous.

Even if we Had secure borders, intervening anywhere outside them seems quite dubious.


Agreed.
A) The US needs to secure its borders
B) Less gunboat diplomacy into banana republics

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I would want to stay out of Vinny's Zoo ... BUT ... one concern ... while hollering about "No Furrin Intervention" ... pooteen seems to be flying in military gear and people ... and propping up the BDIC ... so at the very least we may need to find a way to put some shakles on "furrin intervention" ...

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I would want to stay out of Vinny's Zoo ... BUT ... one concern ... while hollering about "No Furrin Intervention" ... pooteen seems to be flying in military gear and people ... and propping up the BDIC ... so at the very least we may need to find a way to put some shakles on "furrin intervention" ...


So what is the strategy for that?
----more sanctions on Russia (that actually being on Putin's cronies, not the country per se)?
----A Cuban Missile Crisis-style blockade of Venezuela but rather than blockading ships we would be blockading air travel into Venezuela? (blockading air travel during a time of peace could be unprecedented--even the Soviets allowed air travel into Berlin during the Berlin Blockade)

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... So what is the strategy for that? ...


Not sure ... I haven't been assigned to figure it out !!! :D

But one idea would be to try to work thru the OAS. Encouraging the OAS to take action is the first option I can think of pursuing. And by "action" I mean an OAS "invasion", if that's what it takes to keep russia from getting a toe hold ...

Perhaps the OAS could say they need to intervene to deliver humanitarian aid.

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Not sure ... I haven't been assigned to figure it out !!! :D

But one idea would be to try to work thru the OAS. Encouraging the OAS to take action is the first option I can think of pursuing. And by "action" I mean an OAS "invasion", if that's what it takes to keep russia from getting a toe hold ...

Perhaps the OAS could say they need to intervene to deliver humanitarian aid.


Well, I suppose that the OAS could provide a “framework” (aka cover) for military action, but at the end of the day it will be like the invasion of Grenada:

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The invasion commenced at 05:00 on 25 October 1983. U.S. forces refuelled and departed from the Grantley Adams International Airport on the nearby Caribbean island of Barbados before daybreak en route to Grenada.[28] It was the first major operation conducted by the U.S. military since the Vietnam War. Vice Admiral Joseph Metcalf, III, Commander Second Fleet, was the overall commander of U.S. forces, designated Joint Task Force 120, which included elements of each military service and multiple special operations units. Fighting continued for several days and the total number of U.S. troops reached some 7,000 along with 300 troops from the Organization of American States (OAS).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... e_invasion

So roughly 95% of forces in the Grenada operation were US.

I have no reason to believe that any OAS country(countries) is going to make more than a token military contribution to such an effort; meaning the US military would be the one doing just about everything.

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There are of course differences between invading an island country of 100,000 people and 135 square miles vs a country of 31 million people and (353,841 sq mi).

Grenada is an island, which you can easily blockade and isolate while Venezuela is a large country, bordering 3 (?) other countries. It also has a 1700 mile coastline.

Venezuela’s geography is varied:

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The northern mountains are the extreme northeastern extensions of South America's Andes mountain range. Pico Bolívar, the nation's highest point at 4,979 m (16,335 ft), lies in this region. To the south, the dissected Guiana Highlands contain the northern fringes of the Amazon Basin and Angel Falls, the world's highest waterfall, as well as tepuis, large table-like mountains. The country's center is characterized by the llanos, which are extensive plains that stretch from the Colombian border in the far west to the Orinoco River delta in the east. The Orinoco, with its rich alluvial soils, binds the largest and most important river system of the country; it originates in one of the largest watersheds in Latin America. The Caroní and the Apure are other major rivers.

Source: Wikipedia

If “everything” went perfectly (the Maduro government collapsed with no insurgency/resistance at all), then a takedown operation might go quickly. BUT, as we have seen in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Libya, things never go according to plan, and insurgencies and occupation can be a bitch.

To put it into some perspective, Venezuela is about 31% LARGER than Texas is (by size) and 14% more populous than Texas is. What would it take to invade Texas, only larger and more populous?

Just chew on that for a moment...

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