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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#41 Post by nero » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:33 am

nero wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:44 pm
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Then some denialists have turned to total nihilism and pollute the planet just for fun. :twisted:

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Coal powered Trumpmobil that that emits maximal pollution.
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Greed and stupidity are also important factors. :twisted:
Climate Denial Crock of the Week wrote:
In Wyoming: The Move for Fossil Fuels Forever
February 13, 2020

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Backwards day in Crazy town – “Free marketers” at it again.
Casper Star Tribune wrote:
Wyoming lawmakers proposed a bill this week that could penalize utility companies for using renewable energy sources to supply electricity to ratepayers.

Sponsored by the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senate File 125 would have required energy utilities to provide a vast majority, 95 percent, of their electricity from a restricted list of energy sources by 2021. Eligible generating sources include coal, oil and natural gas — the state’s primary economic engines. By 2022, utilities would be required to procure 100 percent of their electricity from the list of sources.

But utility-scale wind and solar power were glaringly absent from the list. That means, if a utility chooses to invest in renewable energy sources, the state could have penalized the company with a fine for each megawatt of energy not produced from the sources deemed acceptable.

“Essentially there’s a penalty if you’re relying on renewable energy,” said Shannon Anderson, an attorney with Powder River Basin Resource Council, a landowners group supporting the expansion of solar energy in the state.

The bill did not receive sufficient votes Thursday morning to advance. But it’s one of several bills drafted during the first week of the Equality State’s session in an attempt to inject more life into the state’s coal industry and beat back utilities’ steady divestment away from coal.

“The bill is a statement of support for our (coal) industry,” University of Wyoming economist Rob Godby said. “We are now looking at significant disruption of local communities based on coal-fired power plant closures.”

It’s not the first time the bill has been in the spotlight. In 2017, Sen. Larry Hicks, R-Baggs, sponsored a similar bill, but his draft legislation quickly flopped.

In October, the state’s largest utility company forecast a somber future for its two dozen coal units pumping out electricity. The company, PacifiCorp, plans to retire two-thirds of its coal fleet by 2030, including units at Naughton in Kemmerer, Jim Bridger near Rock Springs and Dave Johnston in Glenrock.

“To be honest, the state of Wyoming was kind of caught flat-footed when those closures were announced,” Godby said. “It just hadn’t been something that had ever been imagined here.”

This week’s draft bill attempts to ease the forthcoming economic disruption by subsidizing energy sources integral to Wyoming’s economy, like coal. Setting up financial disincentives for utilities to invest in renewable energy could preserve the state’s dominant fossil fuel market.

But some economists question how a bill like this would ultimately affect ratepayers’ pockets. For one, Godby cautioned lawmakers to look more closely at the economics of the bill. Renewable energy can often be a more cost-effective option for electricity generation. Utility costs for Wyoming consumers depend largely on how much it costs a utility to generate electricity.

“If you’re going to impose that kind of tax on producers in Wyoming, it’s very likely that most of that cost will fall on the people of Wyoming,” Godby said. “A lot of people don’t believe that renewables are as cheap as they are, that gas is actually cheaper than coal and coal is relatively speaking expensive to run.”

The bill may not make it very far, analysts noted. When lawmakers first introduced the bill in 2017, many considered it a political move, a reaction to other states’ introduction of renewable energy portfolio standards.

The House Appropriations Committee also introduced a bill to impose a $1-per-megawatt-hour excise tax on electricity produced from solar energy sources this week.
Lordy. :roll:
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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#42 Post by nero » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:27 pm

A feel good video. At least for me.



And now the EU is conditioning the European farmers do similar for the subsidies. This makes much sense if one knows that there is many times more carbon in plants than in the atmosphere. Let the plants do their work to suck the excess CO2, rather than burn them (Brazil).

One Finnish oil company owner has a plan to reforest Sahara. I think that it is a great idea and also possible, The down side would be the disruption of Sahara sand export business.
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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#43 Post by EUBanana » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:52 pm

Oh dear. lordy. I just asked a question
I ask you a shit load of questions, all the time. Of which you answer... maybe 5%? At best.

Hence... piss off.
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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#44 Post by nero » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:09 pm

EUBanana wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:52 pm
Oh dear. lordy. I just asked a question
I ask you a shit load of questions, all the time. Of which you answer... maybe 5%? At best.

Hence... piss off.
Actually you did not ask anything, you just made statements. Look at your posts, how many question marks you can find in your posts? 0. ;)

So it goes.
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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#45 Post by EUBanana » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:11 pm

nero wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:09 pm
Actually you did not ask anything, you just made statements. Look at your posts, how many question marks you can find in your posts? 0. ;)
Explain to me how you think Japan, China, Nigeria, all these places who don't give a flying fuck about Greta Thunberg, Finland, or what middle class westerners think, will do your bidding. And explain to me how, if they do not, how the west doing it will help.

Pretty specific. "Explain to me", well, go on.
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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#46 Post by nero » Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:44 am

EUBanana wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:11 pm
nero wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:09 pm
Actually you did not ask anything, you just made statements. Look at your posts, how many question marks you can find in your posts? 0. ;)
Explain to me how you think Japan, China, Nigeria, all these places who don't give a flying fuck about Greta Thunberg, Finland, or what middle class westerners think, will do your bidding. And explain to me how, if they do not, how the west doing it will help.

Pretty specific. "Explain to me", well, go on.
You haven't answered to my question about the man made climate change. ;)
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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#47 Post by EUBanana » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:59 am

Aaaand we're back to bad faith. Can't say I didn't give you a chance!

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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#48 Post by nero » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:29 am

Gary Childress wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:03 am


What about this video, Nero? Is the presenter lying? Are the graphs he's presenting incorrect? He basically maintains that if you look at data from much earlier in the industrial age, there were times that were considerably hotter, less ice, higher sea level, etc. than the present and that the IPCC cherry picks time periods to support an alarmist public policy. Is he making all this up?
What is Tony Heller doing? :roll:

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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#49 Post by nero » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:30 am

EUBanana wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:59 am
Aaaand we're back to bad faith. Can't say I didn't give you a chance!

Thank you for your contribution. It kind of reveals your intellectual level. ;)

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Re: A Change in Mind about A Change in Climate

#50 Post by Anthropoid » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:27 am

EUBanana wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:59 am
Aaaand we're back to bad faith. Can't say I didn't give you a chance!

Might I suggest the Ignore feature? :lol:

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