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Re: World War II

#61 Post by chijohnaok » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:21 pm

Anthropoid wrote:The war is long enough ago now that I bet it is an emerging golden age as far as gaining access to information which might not have been available in years past.

I think that the 'secrecy' period for most of the military stuff from the war has ended for most of the Allied countries.
I think most of what survived from the German side has also been looked over.

It's my understanding that for several years after the Soviet Union fell much of the archives was opened up to researchers, even western scholars, but I think that period of "glasnost" ended quite a while ago and access to some of that stuff in the Soviet/Russian archives is off limits again.
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Re: World War II

#62 Post by EUBanana » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:20 pm

wulfir wrote:Poland started it, says Russia. Take note those of you who tend to follow the Russian narrative.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/09/ ... nub-a67108
A common lie during the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact era I think.
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Re: World War II

#63 Post by nero » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:57 pm

chijohnaok wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:The war is long enough ago now that I bet it is an emerging golden age as far as gaining access to information which might not have been available in years past.

I think that the 'secrecy' period for most of the military stuff from the war has ended for most of the Allied countries.
I think most of what survived from the German side has also been looked over.

It's my understanding that for several years after the Soviet Union fell much of the archives was opened up to researchers, even western scholars, but I think that period of "glasnost" ended quite a while ago and access to some of that stuff in the Soviet/Russian archives is off limits again.
You are spot on on Russia. There was a window of opportunity for Western historians to access the Soviet archives after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But that data source is not open any more. This what Finnish historians say.

And now Russia has done a full 180 again, during Gorbachev time Soviets admitted that the Mainila shots that were the pretext of the Winter War was Soviet provocation. But just recently Moscow Victory Museum announced that the Winter War was caused by the white bandit Finns shooting and killing peaceful Soviet soldiers. :roll:

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Re: World War II

#64 Post by wulfir » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 pm

Russia has maintained the postwar position of officials in the Soviet Union, who said the pact was a necessary evil to try and stop the Nazis from invading — or at least delay them.

"They are very nearly blaming the Soviet Union, alongside Nazi Germany, for causing the Second World War," Putin said. "As if they have forgotten who attacked Poland on September 1, 1939, and the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941."

The agreement is rarely discussed in Russia, where the Soviet Union's role in ending the Second World War is a source of enormous patriotic pride.

The pact was a written mutual guarantee of peace, as well as a commitment that neither would ally itself to an enemy party. The countries' two foreign ministers, after whom the pact is named, also agreed to carve up eastern Europe between one another.
https://www.dw.com/en/vladimir-putin-co ... a-51636197

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#65 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:49 am



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#66 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:34 pm

Another installment in the World War 2 updates:

https://youtu.be/dMOjVmQe8kI

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Re: World War II

#67 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:31 am



Molotovn’t-Ribbentropn’t Pact
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Re: World War II

#68 Post by Mac » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:44 pm

The invasion of Poland from the Polish prespective...

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I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
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Re: World War II

#69 Post by NATO » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:42 pm

strange twist of times: the Invasion of Poland started WWII, which led to Cold War, which cud have destroyed all of humanity.....then abt +40 years a Polish Pope and the polish people start the process which leads to the end of the Cold War, the withdrawal of the Soviet Army frm central Europe proper. God bless the Poles! never forget

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Re: World War II

#70 Post by wulfir » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:26 pm

Mac wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:44 pm
The invasion of Poland from the Polish prespective...
1933, with Hilter coming to power the Polish strong man Pilsudski gathered up a bunch of his high ranking officers and circulated a question:

Who will attack first? Germany or Russia...?

13 officers respond Germany.
4 figures it'll be Russia, in cooperation with Germany.
2 say it's gonna' be Russia.
1 says it'll be Germany, in cooperation with Russia.

Can't say they were in doubt of who the enemies were...

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