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Re: World War II

#31 Post by mdiehl » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:22 pm

What narrative? And what parts of it are incorrect vs incomplete and misleading?
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Re: World War II

#32 Post by wulfir » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:25 pm

mdiehl wrote:It was liberated from the Third Reich. But not from the USSR. So I'd call that a 'half truth."
Estonia was occupied by the USSR following the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact.
mdiehl wrote:Good for whom?
Everybody...
mdiehl wrote:For what?
Starting WW2, among other things.
mdiehl wrote:Was the USSR obliged to honor the Treaty of Riga?
The Winter War teaches us, treaties can be broken.

mdiehl wrote:Russia is not objectively either the ONLY or even the routine offender.
Russia is a dictatorship. At present it has no intention to be honest about the past. Can't be trusted.

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Re: World War II

#33 Post by wulfir » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:29 pm

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Re: World War II

#34 Post by mdiehl » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:52 pm

When it comes to culpability about the only contntl w. European nation that has been honest about its past is Germany.
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Re: World War II

#35 Post by wulfir » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:14 am

Russian Foreign Ministry Denies the Soviet Union Occupied Estonia
Because the Russian Federation took on the role of successor state to the Soviet Union, in order to avoid just the kind of legal liabilities cited by the Estonian foreign minister, it adopted the Soviet position that the Baltic states joined the Soviet Union of their own accord.

Thus, while it remains debatable whether or not the Baltic states deserve compensation for damages incurred by the Soviet occupation and what such compensation should be, the historical record is clear: the Baltic states were annexed and occupied by the Soviet Union for decades.
https://www.polygraph.info/a/russian-fo ... 81606.html

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Re: World War II

#36 Post by nero » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:07 pm

wulfir wrote:Russian Foreign Ministry Denies the Soviet Union Occupied Estonia
Because the Russian Federation took on the role of successor state to the Soviet Union, in order to avoid just the kind of legal liabilities cited by the Estonian foreign minister, it adopted the Soviet position that the Baltic states joined the Soviet Union of their own accord.

Thus, while it remains debatable whether or not the Baltic states deserve compensation for damages incurred by the Soviet occupation and what such compensation should be, the historical record is clear: the Baltic states were annexed and occupied by the Soviet Union for decades.
https://www.polygraph.info/a/russian-fo ... 81606.html
99% percent of Estonians voted to join the USSR 1940. So no occupation there, nothing to see.

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Re: World War II

#37 Post by chijohnaok » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:24 pm

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Re: World War II

#38 Post by nero » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:28 am

chijohnaok wrote:
Wrong thread, I assume.
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Re: World War II

#39 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:53 pm




I had never heard stated before that Eisenhower (twice) called his not approving the mission a mistake.


Such an operation could have had results similar to the Dash for Baghdad...
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Re: World War II

#40 Post by nero » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:18 pm

chijohnaok wrote: ...

I had never heard stated before that Eisenhower (twice) called his not approving the mission a mistake.


Such an operation could have had results similar to the Dash for Baghdad...
You seem to watch Mark Felton videos. So do I.

Had Patton been on Elbe. :roll:

But he was liberating Bohemia.

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