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Military stuff ... past and present.

#1 Post by abradley » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:18 am



Published on Jun 6, 2016
Today we look at how the weight of my harness is distributed over the body and how the total mass compares to what a modern soldier wears in combat.

My sword is 2.5 lbs, my pollaxe 4.5 lbs. Negligible compared to modern weapons. A tricked out M4 weighs more than all my weapons combined, and an M240 is 27 lbs by itself. Medieval weapons add little in the way of weight to the overall kit.

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(US Army) The Modern Warrior's Combat Load - http://thedonovan.com/archives/modern...
(USMC) Lightening the Load - http://www.nrac.navy.mil/docs/2007_rp...
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#2 Post by jwilkerson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:22 am

I recently picked up a Colt Sporter A-15 ... which is very close to the M-16A1s we used in the Army I was in ... I almost threw the Colt up in the air it was so light ...

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CARBINES

Colt 5.56(10.3) MK18 workalike ... about 8 pounds in shown config

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Custom 5.56(10.5) Mk18 work alike ... about 9 pounds in shown config (the thermal adds more weight)

img]http://i.imgur.com/VqURDUvh.jpg[/img]
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BCM 5.54(14.5) M4 work alike ... about 10 pounds in shown config (DD rail is heavy)

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DMR

Colt 5.56(18) weighs about 10 pounds in shown config (light profile barrel)

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Custom 6.5(18) weight about 11 pounds in shown config

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To the rear, .300WM weighs about 15 pounds empty and pushes 20 pounds in the field
To the front, .50BMG weighs about 25 pounds empty and pushes 30 pounds in the field
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The .300WM and .50BMG would be fired primarily from tripods.
The DMRs 6.5(18) and 5.56(18) would be fired from tripods about about 150yds or standing unsupported closer in.
The Carbines would be fired mostly not from tripods, except when zeroing.
Yes, these are heavier than the rifle I had in the Army.
Then add in the helmet with pvs-14 and thermal and that's another 5 pounds ... then the pack ... another 5-10 pounds ... altogether I try to stay under 35 pounds for a field kit, in order to stay mobile.
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#3 Post by jwilkerson » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:18 pm

Oops flubbed second carbine pic above ... the custom 5.56(10.5)

another try ...

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#4 Post by abradley » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:09 am

Shooting to kill - how many men can do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs

Uses some of SLA Marshall's view, which are controversial.
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#5 Post by nero » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:10 pm

abradley wrote:Shooting to kill - how many men can do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs

Uses some of SLA Marshall's view, which are controversial.
Why controversial? Why was the Army training improved after the WWII to solve the very problem?

With good results.
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#6 Post by jwilkerson » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:42 pm

It isn't so much that Marshall's "conclusions" were controversial as it was his methods. He claimed to have interviewed lots of front line soldiers and tabulated the results and used data to draw his conclusions. Subsequent investigations revealed that he made all or most of it up. It was the results of those investigations that overturned his conclusions ... or "made them controversial" ... to put it nicely.

We studied the SLAM case in our military history program as an example of what we are NOT supposed to do as military historians.
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#7 Post by abradley » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:07 pm

nero wrote:
abradley wrote:Shooting to kill - how many men can do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs

Uses some of SLA Marshall's view, which are controversial.
Why controversial? Why was the Army training improved after the WWII to solve the very problem?

With good results.
What improvements?
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#8 Post by jwilkerson » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:19 pm

http://www.warchronicle.com/us/combat_h ... llfire.htm

This is not the whole article, but this is a summary of the article we had to read in class which "broke the ice" on the SLAM's credibility. There have been other such articles written since this one.
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#9 Post by Kameolontti » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:21 pm

My arsenal doesn't contain anything that shoots yet.

I've got mostly melee stuff, melee practice weapons - not actual weapons. I'm looking to buy a bow and possibly a crossbow and I'm considering on starting the actual firearms collection by first eventually getting a BB gun rifle to practice accuracy with before getting a sniper rifle.

Those real firearms - they cost a heck of a lot of money. What I'd really like to get next are a viking sword and a full set of platemail.
I'd like to own a couple of firearms and practice with them but what I really love are historic weapons. I love practicing with them and I love history. They don't even need to be original antique, replicas do just fine and it's not so awful if you break one.

I need more money.

jwilkerson has a nice set of guns for sure. Though with no offense, why desert camo? It looks like you live in forested region like me.
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#10 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:37 pm

Kameolontti wrote:My arsenal doesn't contain anything that shoots yet.

I've got mostly melee stuff, melee practice weapons - not actual weapons. I'm looking to buy a bow and possibly a crossbow and I'm considering on starting the actual firearms collection by first eventually getting a BB gun rifle to practice accuracy with before getting a sniper rifle.

Those real firearms - they cost a heck of a lot of money. What I'd really like to get next are a viking sword and a full set of platemail.
I'd like to own a couple of firearms and practice with them but what I really love are historic weapons. I love practicing with them and I love history. They don't even need to be original antique, replicas do just fine and it's not so awful if you break one.

I need more money.

jwilkerson has a nice set of guns for sure. Though with no offense, why desert camo? It looks like you live in forested region like me.
Well, there are those that claim that global warming is changing the climate. Maybe Kansas will dry up and turn into a desert?
Wilkerson is just anticipating the coming desertification of Kansas. ;)
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