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 Post subject: Re: Hard times for men
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:34 am 
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It is true that archaeology, and paleo studies in general, do not enjoy as much experimental leverage on their hypotheses as do studies of things that are taking place now. That doesn't mean it is "only" imaginings. Even the most rigorous of sciences are never actually FINAL, so it should come as no surprise that paleo studies are even less final.

The problem in my opinion is that too many people like Nero think that "strong support" for a particular hypothesis (much less some support, or only spotty support) automatically makes it TRUTH. From my perspective, even in the most well-established empirical generalizations and best supported theories in the most rigorous sciences, it is quite difficult to establish any "TRUTH."

Mathematics is perhaps the one area where we can speak of truth (at least some of the time, and there are even exceptions and caveats there!). But math is not "science." Math is a language of logic. Certainly the Queen of the Sciences but not a science itself. Or at least that is my view, and I'm happy to hear those of others!


Yes, I'm not criticizing archaeology or paleology.

I'm just pointing out that they are not that different from economics or sociology when it comes to uncertainty and difficulty.

And despite difficulty in ever reaching any strongly supported conclusion it doesn't mean that it's not worth to study and arrive at best current explanation for findings. These are some of those fields where instead of arriving at "oh yea, we *do* know that gravity exists because it would be silly at this point to criticize it. We could be wrong as always but that's VERY unlikely" we arrive at "this is an ongoing debate and will never be truly solved but here's where we are at".

But that just won't do if you're going to turn the research news into propaganda to support some political agenda. Suddenly it's "SCIENCE proves that our side is right!"

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 Post subject: Re: Hard times for men
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This demographic business is one of the few arenas in which archaeological research approaches high certainty. or at least MAY approach high certainty. You are correct that the 7000 years of post-late-Neolithic land use in Europe have likely obliterated most of the sites we'd want to know about. Even so, some aspects of the theory are testable.

If for example male mortality especially among the very young is great among known sites, but female mortality is not, it would support the general assumption that *males* were disproportionately adversely affected. That would tell us much about the nature of the bottleneck. If there's no uptick in evidence for male mortality then the bottleneck is clearly not one of increased "hardship" on males but instead one of massively enhanced success among a small number of somewhat-related males.

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Why the trend @ incels today?

Perhaps shit like this may have something to do with it....


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/ ... on-a-date/

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Student Found to Have Violated Title IX in Part by Asking Another Student on a Date

By KATHERINE TIMPF
December 27, 2018 4:35 PM

Dating can be awkward enough without adding legal hazards to the mix.

A student at the University of Missouri was found to be in violation of Title IX in part because he asked another student out on a date and is physically larger than she is.

According to a document about the case, the male student was deemed to have violated civil-rights law — and was guilty of sexual harassment — because he asked a female student out on a date that she did not want. Why? Because he was bigger than her, and his “physical size” meant that “he was perceived as having power over her.”


The deposition gained some attention after it was shared by KC Johnson, a Brooklyn College professor, on Twitter.

It’s not clear from the documents what kind of punishment, if any, that the student faced for his violation — but the fact that an official even deemed what he did to be a violation is scary enough. To be fair, the document does report that the male student had also been pestering the female student for dates and wasn’t leaving her alone — which is, obviously, unacceptable — but the fact that his physical size was enough to constitute a violation-worthy power imbalance is absolutely ludicrous.

Sexual harassment and discrimination are both very serious issues, and it’s important to have policies in place to protect people from them. This, however, is quite clearly a total abuse and misuse of Title IX.

So what if he was bigger than her? Spoiler alert: Most men are bigger than most women. If it’s a violation to ask out a woman who is smaller than you, then both men and women are going to have a lot fewer options in their romantic lives.

The way in which this kind of thinking hurts men is obvious: They risk violating a law, and potentially being punished for it, over what every sane person could agree is normal human behavior. What may be less obvious, though, is that it hurts women, too. For one thing, a lot of women like going out on dates, and men being too afraid to ask them out on dates for fear of being in violation of Title IX could easily result in fewer of them. Yes, the women could always ask out the men that they are interested in — assuming, of course, that those men are larger than they are — but the truth is, a lot of women don’t like to do that. Personally, I know that I strongly prefer for a man to ask me out rather than the other way around. Is that based on some kind of abstract social construct? Maybe it is, I don’t know, but I do know that most of the women I have talked to would agree with my preference nonetheless.

Aside from the practical consequence of potentially fewer dates, this sort of philosophy hurts women in yet another way, too: It makes us appear weaker and less capable than men, strictly because of our size. Think about it — this sort of interpretation of Title IX suggests that women are too fragile to be able to handle the seemingly innocuous experience of being asked out on a date that they don’t want without having administrative help to handle it. This, to me, is not feminism. To me, feminism should emphasize the strength of women; it shouldn’t portray us as incapable of handling normal social interactions on our own. Turning down a date that you don’t want is hardly a fun experience, but I have faith that the vast majority of women (yes, even college students) are perfectly capable of handling it on their own. Policies should reflect this reality — and they certainly shouldn’t harm both men and women in their attempt to solve problems that don’t even really exist.

Editor’s Note: This article has been updated since its original publication to reflect that the Title IX violation allegation was only in part due to the asking of another student out on a date.


KATHERINE TIMPF — Katherine Timpf is a reporter for National Review Online.




So...what are a male college student's options then?
-----remain a tiny little runt so that you can ask out most women without being 'physically larger' than they are
-----only date fat girls larger than you are
-----incil-dom, here I come!

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 Post subject: Re: Hard times for men
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:53 pm 
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chijohnaok wrote:
Why the trend @ incels today?

Perhaps shit like this may have something to do with it....


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/ ... on-a-date/

Quote:
Student Found to Have Violated Title IX in Part by Asking Another Student on a Date

By KATHERINE TIMPF
December 27, 2018 4:35 PM

Dating can be awkward enough without adding legal hazards to the mix.

A student at the University of Missouri was found to be in violation of Title IX in part because he asked another student out on a date and is physically larger than she is.

According to a document about the case, the male student was deemed to have violated civil-rights law — and was guilty of sexual harassment — because he asked a female student out on a date that she did not want. Why? Because he was bigger than her, and his “physical size” meant that “he was perceived as having power over her.”


The deposition gained some attention after it was shared by KC Johnson, a Brooklyn College professor, on Twitter.

It’s not clear from the documents what kind of punishment, if any, that the student faced for his violation — but the fact that an official even deemed what he did to be a violation is scary enough. To be fair, the document does report that the male student had also been pestering the female student for dates and wasn’t leaving her alone — which is, obviously, unacceptable — but the fact that his physical size was enough to constitute a violation-worthy power imbalance is absolutely ludicrous.

Sexual harassment and discrimination are both very serious issues, and it’s important to have policies in place to protect people from them. This, however, is quite clearly a total abuse and misuse of Title IX.

So what if he was bigger than her? Spoiler alert: Most men are bigger than most women. If it’s a violation to ask out a woman who is smaller than you, then both men and women are going to have a lot fewer options in their romantic lives.

The way in which this kind of thinking hurts men is obvious: They risk violating a law, and potentially being punished for it, over what every sane person could agree is normal human behavior. What may be less obvious, though, is that it hurts women, too. For one thing, a lot of women like going out on dates, and men being too afraid to ask them out on dates for fear of being in violation of Title IX could easily result in fewer of them. Yes, the women could always ask out the men that they are interested in — assuming, of course, that those men are larger than they are — but the truth is, a lot of women don’t like to do that. Personally, I know that I strongly prefer for a man to ask me out rather than the other way around. Is that based on some kind of abstract social construct? Maybe it is, I don’t know, but I do know that most of the women I have talked to would agree with my preference nonetheless.

Aside from the practical consequence of potentially fewer dates, this sort of philosophy hurts women in yet another way, too: It makes us appear weaker and less capable than men, strictly because of our size. Think about it — this sort of interpretation of Title IX suggests that women are too fragile to be able to handle the seemingly innocuous experience of being asked out on a date that they don’t want without having administrative help to handle it. This, to me, is not feminism. To me, feminism should emphasize the strength of women; it shouldn’t portray us as incapable of handling normal social interactions on our own. Turning down a date that you don’t want is hardly a fun experience, but I have faith that the vast majority of women (yes, even college students) are perfectly capable of handling it on their own. Policies should reflect this reality — and they certainly shouldn’t harm both men and women in their attempt to solve problems that don’t even really exist.

Editor’s Note: This article has been updated since its original publication to reflect that the Title IX violation allegation was only in part due to the asking of another student out on a date.


KATHERINE TIMPF — Katherine Timpf is a reporter for National Review Online.




So...what are a male college student's options then?
-----remain a tiny little runt so that you can ask out most women without being 'physically larger' than they are
-----only date fat girls larger than you are
-----incil-dom, here I come!

I am not certain is your post is appropriate for my thread. :roll:

But I am not completely certain that the problem you describe pertain to Finland. Though there is now a red alert because of the sinking birth numbers and the government is thinking how to encourage young people reproduce more eagerly. Perhaps cutting back some austerity of the last years would help, and perhaps giving more benefits for young families would help. Like the Estonians did.

"If the girl comes to her mother, she will give. If she comes to her father, she will demand" -- Captain Kaarna,

As for the American college students, they seem to be just idiots. OK, it takes some time to learn how to do it, not to copy Trump, no pussy grabbing.

The main idea is to make her to want you. If you can not do that, tough luck.



The main thing is not be a jerk.

PS. When dancing slows late in the evening, it works wonders to let her to feel your hard.

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