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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:45 am 
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I love the old lady at 5:15.

Has American commentators, is pretty good imho.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter War documentary
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Prying the treads off with crowbar . . . yeah, that is badass! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Winter War documentary
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:29 am 
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1939, Finnish prime minister Cajander.

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"...mitä silloin olisimme hankkineet, esimerkiksi lentokoneita, ilmatorjuntavälineitä ynnä muuta, olisivat jo nyt suurelta osalta vanhentuneita, ehkäpä romutettaviakin..."

At the end of a war exercise in August 1939 he defended the decision of not buying military equipment and leaving the Defense Forces woefully under equipped by saying that
"...what equipment we would have procured, such as aircraft, anti-air equipment and such, they would largely be obsolete now and even in need of scrapping..."

So instead of addressing the awful state of the Defense Forces' equipment shortages he was glad to have postponed the purchases.


When Soviet bombers suddenly firebombed Helsinki without warning it is claimed that he said:
"Tarkoittaako tämä, että hallitus kokoontuu ennen virka-aikaa?"

"Does this mean that the government is going to convene before office hours?"


"Cajander's name is remembered for "Model Cajander", the fashion of many Finnish soldiers in Winter War: the army was poorly equipped, so conscripts were given a utility belt, an emblem to be attached to the hat — to comply with the Hague Conventions — and, hopefully, a rifle. Otherwise, they had to use their own clothes and equipment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimo_Cajander

He belonged to the left wing of National Progressive Party, a party that would quickly wither and be disbanded in 1950's after most of it's remaining prominent members jumped to another party.

Cajander himself continues to be a well recognized name in Finland after earning eternal infamy in 1939.

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 Post subject: Re: Winter War documentary
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Soviet video material from Winter War, 59 minutes.



At start they show their troops and equipment as well as captured Finnish towns and Finnish prisoners.
Through the material it is possible to see how their tanks got better, how they adopted winter camouflage, how they started using armored sledges pulled by tanks and after halfway through they start showing destroyed Finnish positions, Finns that perished in their positions at Summa and moving on to the captured Miljoonalinnake (Million Fortress) showcasing the interior of the fortress and it's firing positions.

Then they show how they adopted their own ski troops complete with winter camouflage.

Also they demonstrate the firestorm created by their massed heavy artillery as well as the Soviet air forces that had complete air superiority with their thousands of aircraft that were far more advanced than anything Finns had.

By the end of the video they start getting to destroyed suburbs of Viipuri, Finland's second largest city at the time.

1 million men at war against a country of 3.6 million.

They weren't just trying to create a small buffer zone around Leningrad, that's for sure. For surviving we owe a debt to UK and France, their possible escalation to Nordic countries allowed for peace before our front line collapsed.

Inferno is what the veterans called the southern front where the Soviets tried to push through with all their might. Fiery hell.

If the attack had come with the border changes that they demanded in place it would have been as with Czechoslovakia where they surrendered their best means of defense prior to invasion. The isthmus had similarly important value for Finnish defenses - for it cost roughly 300,000 casualties for Soviets to push the front line roughly the amount they had demanded in their ultimatum.

It was completely unfeasible and outrageous to surrender Finland's main line of defense and to let Soviets launch their invasion from the suburbs of Viipuri. With the buffer zone in place Finns had time to at least mobilize it's forces to the main defensive line as opposed to finding Soviets achieving strategic breakthrough before defenses could be prepared.

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