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 Post subject: Refighting the Pacific War
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:31 am 
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Refighting the Pacific War - An Alternative History of World War II
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 Post subject: Re: Refighting the Pacific War
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abradley wrote:
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Andy, you have the talent find dim panels on nothing. Like your religious panels discussing how many angles can dance on the tip of a needle.

This alternative history is just the same. Even if Japan had sunk all the US carriers in the Midway, the end result would have been the same.

Had Lee won Gettysburg, the same thing. No negotiated peace.

Production power, man power, scientific thinking, numbers...

So it goes.

PS. I really hope that mdiehl, Michele Furioso, does not -rep me for this post. :lol:

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Andy, you have the talent find dim panels on nothing. Like your religious panels discussing how many angles can dance on the tip of a needle.

This alternative history is just the same. Even if Japan had sunk all the US carriers in the Midway, the end result would have been the same.

Had Lee won Gettysburg, the same thing. No negotiated peace.

Production power, man power, scientific thinking, numbers...

So it goes.

PS. I really hope that mdiehl does not -rep me for this post. :lol:
Congratulations, as far as the Pacific war you've come to the same conclusion as the panel, can't agree about Gettysburg. One out of two ain't bad for you, normally it's 0 for 2.

As for 'Angels on the head of a needle', doesn't that depend on how fat they are ... so we need more info. Fat Angels vs Skinny Angels? You do the research.

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Agree with Andy. The Union was on the brink of collapse in 1864. The Confederates got unlucky.

The Japs never stood a chance. Even if they had managed to occupy Midway and Hawaii, very likely all it would have done is make it worse for themselves in the long run. I do not think it was possible for them to cause enough brutality that it would actually force the U.S. to consider a negotiated peace, and the "will to fight" curve seems to always exhibit more of a sine-wave pattern: the more you brutalize them, the more their will to fight increases, until you finally get to the tipping point, and their will to fight plummets rapidly.

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Agree with Andy. The Union was on the brink of collapse in 1864. The Confederates got unlucky.

The Japs never stood a chance. Even if they had managed to occupy Midway and Hawaii, very likely all it would have done is make it worse for themselves in the long run. I do not think it was possible for them to cause enough brutality that it would actually force the U.S. to consider a negotiated peace, and the "will to fight" curve seems to always exhibit more of a sine-wave pattern: the more you brutalize them, the more their will to fight increases, until you finally get to the tipping point, and their will to fight plummets rapidly.


US production just kept ramping up all the way through while their economy also kept just growing and growing.

It's no joke Japan is said to stand on feet of clay. There's no way they would have ever managed to start taking out the US sub fleet without radars and with their entire carrier and aviation force forcibly dedicated to the front.

Japan would always start to starve. US would always get first two nukes and over the years more. That they "only had two" was temporary. They'd get another 7 in "46, and ~50 through "47-"48, 100+ in "49 and 250+ in "50.

That's a lot of bombs to drop on Japanese fleets, bases and finally on their home islands.

Imagine something like their fleet getting vaporized in "46 and "48 seeing the B-29s hit 20 cities a day for a week. All the while with the people starving and the fleets all out of juice and no fuel for the interceptors while US redeployments of the European forces and fleets are finished.

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I think America would have seen the war in the Pacific to the end given how Americans considered the attack on Pearl Harbor such a dastardly attack. A loss at Gettysburg might have led to a negotiated settlement if Lee could have done without wrecking his army doing it and retaining the ability to seriously threaten Washington

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I think America would have seen the war in the Pacific to the end given how Americans considered the attack on Pearl Harbor such a dastardly attack. A loss at Gettysburg might have led to a negotiated settlement if Lee could have done without wrecking his army doing it and retaining the ability to seriously threaten Washington


What if the... Japanase... :lol: were able to :lol: :lol: threaten Washington? :lol:

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I think America would have seen the war in the Pacific to the end given how Americans considered the attack on Pearl Harbor such a dastardly attack. A loss at Gettysburg might have led to a negotiated settlement if Lee could have done without wrecking his army doing it and retaining the ability to seriously threaten Washington


What if the... Japanase... :lol: were able to :lol: :lol: threaten Washington? :lol:

Burning Washington does not help much.

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I guess a lot of Americans would offer them beers and then resume fighting.

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Today, perhaps more than ever, Washington, D.C. is our Achilles Heel and woo be unto the U.S. were it to get burnt down . . .

In this day and age, if an enemy nuked Washington, and every politician and bureaucrat associated with the district was vaporized in it, the American people would be so overcome with joy that they'd be too busy partying in the streets and the U.S. would be easy pickings.

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