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 Post subject: Distributism: What Is It?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Distributism is not Redistribution, it's based on individual ownership; small is better.



Distributism is a horrible name, it sounds like a type of socialism, but nobody has come up with a better alternative.

One way to look at it is; economically Capitalism is individual, Distributism is family, Socialism is the community.

One link is to a Catholic sponsored youtube, it's not about religion, rather economics.


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Will Distributism work in our modern societies?

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Was "forty acres and mule" a form of distributism?

Just curious.

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Was "forty acres and mule" a form of distributism?

Just curious.
It was an attempt to integrate ex slaves into our culture.

Was it a form of distributism... you decide for yourself.

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Was "forty acres and mule" a form of distributism?

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It was an attempt to integrate ex slaves into our culture.

Was it a form of distributism... you decide for yourself.

I think it is, integrating the have-nots to in existing society.

Or do you disagree.

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 Post subject: Re: Distributism: What Is It?
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nero wrote:
Was "forty acres and mule" a form of distributism?

Just curious.

nero wrote:
I think it is, integrating the have-nots to in existing society.

Or do you disagree.
Yes, I disagree.

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Forty acres and a mule
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_acres_and_a_mule
For the film production company, see 40 Acres & A Mule Filmworks.
Forty acres and a mule refers to a promise made in the United States for agrarian reform for former enslaved black farmers by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman on January 16, 1865. It followed a series of conversations between Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton and Radical Republican abolitionists Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens[1] following disruptions to the institution of slavery provoked by the American Civil War. Many freedmen believed and were told by various political figures that they had a right to own the land they had long worked as slaves, and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres (16 ha) of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war, long after proclamations such as Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15 and the Freedmen's Bureau Act were explicitly reversed.
Some land redistribution occurred under military jurisdiction during the war and for a brief period thereafter. However, federal and state policy during the Reconstruction era emphasized wage labor, not land ownership, for blacks. Almost all land allocated during the war was restored to its pre-war owners. Several black communities did maintain control of their land, and some families obtained new land by homesteading. Black land ownership increased markedly in Mississippi during the 19th century, particularly. The state had much undeveloped bottomland behind riverfront areas that had been cultivated before the war. Most blacks acquired land through private transactions, with ownership peaking at 15,000,000 acres (6,100,000 ha) in 1910, before an extended financial recession caused problems that resulted in the loss of their property for many.

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Even if it had been done it wasn't Distributism, Distributism isn't giving people things anymore than capitalism is giving people business'.

I suppose a Space Alien could wipe out our government and install a distributism type in it's place, it still would be up to the people to get the tools of their trade.

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 Post subject: Re: Distributism: What Is It?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:50 pm 
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abradley wrote:
nero wrote:
Was "forty acres and mule" a form of distributism?

Just curious.

nero wrote:
I think it is, integrating the have-nots to in existing society.

Or do you disagree.
Yes, I disagree.

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Forty acres and a mule
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_acres_and_a_mule
For the film production company, see 40 Acres & A Mule Filmworks.
Forty acres and a mule refers to a promise made in the United States for agrarian reform for former enslaved black farmers by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman on January 16, 1865. It followed a series of conversations between Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton and Radical Republican abolitionists Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens[1] following disruptions to the institution of slavery provoked by the American Civil War. Many freedmen believed and were told by various political figures that they had a right to own the land they had long worked as slaves, and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres (16 ha) of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war, long after proclamations such as Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15 and the Freedmen's Bureau Act were explicitly reversed.
Some land redistribution occurred under military jurisdiction during the war and for a brief period thereafter. However, federal and state policy during the Reconstruction era emphasized wage labor, not land ownership, for blacks. Almost all land allocated during the war was restored to its pre-war owners. Several black communities did maintain control of their land, and some families obtained new land by homesteading. Black land ownership increased markedly in Mississippi during the 19th century, particularly. The state had much undeveloped bottomland behind riverfront areas that had been cultivated before the war. Most blacks acquired land through private transactions, with ownership peaking at 15,000,000 acres (6,100,000 ha) in 1910, before an extended financial recession caused problems that resulted in the loss of their property for many.

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Even if it had been done it wasn't Distributism, Distributism isn't giving people things anymore than capitalism is giving people business'.

I suppose a Space Alien could wipe out our government and install a distributism type in it's place, it still would be up to the people to get the tools of their trade.

So Distributism is kind of sharing without actually sharing, giving without without giving. Must be invented by my ex-wife.

"Not not now, I have to take a shower. ... Not now, I am just out of shower". :lol:

That's man's life. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Distributism: What Is It?
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COOPs are a form of Distributism.

The opening post's first youtube covers it.

I doubt it can be implemented so I fit into this situation:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism#Overview
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Some have seen it more as an aspiration, which has been successfully realised in the short term by commitment to the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity (these being built into financially independent local cooperatives and small family businesses), though proponents also cite such periods as the Middle Ages as examples of the historical long-term viability of distributism.[21]


Subsidiarity is an organizing principle that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority. Political decisions should be taken at a local level if possible, rather than by a central authority.
Subsidiarity (Catholicism) - Wikipedia
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solidarity
sol·i·dar·i·ty
ˌsäləˈderədē/Submit
noun
1.
unity or agreement of feeling or action, especially among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group.
"factory workers voiced solidarity with the striking students"
synonyms: unanimity, unity, like-mindedness, agreement, accord, harmony, consensus, concurrence, cooperation, cohesion, fraternity, mutual support; formalconcord
"our solidarity is what gives us the credibility and power to make changes"
2.
an independent trade union movement in Poland that developed into a mass campaign for political change and inspired popular opposition to communist regimes across eastern Europe during the 1980s.

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 Post subject: Re: Distributism: What Is It?
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So Distributism is kind of sharing without actually sharing, giving without without giving. Must be invented by my ex-wife.

"Not not now, I have to take a shower. ... Not now, I am just out of shower". :lol:

That's man's life. :roll:
No, it's neither. It's owing your own means of support.

Not being a wage slave.

Check the first video in the opening post.

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 Post subject: Re: Distributism: What Is It?
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I watched the videos, trough not the long one.

The basic idea is just natural and agreeable. But I just wonder how it works in modern, open, globalized economy. :roll:

I can imagine some small operators co-operators ganging up, and start lucrative export business. And the comes a multinational mega business and buys the newcomer off.

Happens all the time. Ant the problem is that those multinationals have too much power, economical and political.

It is a nice idea to own the business you are working for. But that state does last long. Money buys.

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