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 Post subject: Re: Why the West?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:46 pm 
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Oh boy, you know so little. Oh, you know all with your god.

There is no evidence of paleolitic hunter gatherers having violent encounters. :roll:

The biggest mistake of human history, invention of agriculture allowed bigger population and hence the concept of ownership of land. That was the time when wars started. And slavery.

A hunter gatherer worked less than four hours a day and did eat very healthy food. How about the early farmers, the inventors? Not so, the the later the enslaved farmers did even worse.

Was that a good thing? :roll:

Class society and such. I don't really find it a good thing.

I have different ideas for the future. ;)
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Ian Morris (historian)
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Ian M. Morris
Ian morris 3235.JPG
Born 27 January 1960 (age 57)
Nationality British
Education The Thomas Alleyne School
Alma mater University of Birmingham;
Cambridge University
Occupation professor
Known for Why the West Rules--For Now

Ian Matthew Morris (born 27 January 1960) is a British historian and academic. He is currently Willard Professor of Classics at Stanford University.[1]

Contents

1 Early life
2 Career
3 Why the West Rules—For Now
4 The Measure of Civilization
5 War! What is it Good For?: Conflict and the Progress of Civilization from Primates to Robots
6 Awards and honors
7 Bibliography
8 References
9 External links

Early life

Morris grew up in the United Kingdom. He attended Alleyne's comprehensive school in Stone, Staffordshire, and studied ancient history and archaeology at the University of Birmingham. He gained his PhD at Cambridge University.[1]
Career

From 1987 to 1995, he taught at the University of Chicago. Since 1995, he has been at Stanford.

Since joining Stanford, he has served as Associate Dean of Humanities and Sciences, Chair of the Classics Department, and Director of the Social Science History Institute. He was one of the founders of the Stanford Archaeology Center and has served two terms as its director.[2] He has published extensively on the history and the archaeology of the [history of the Mediterranean region|ancient Mediterranean]] and on world history. He has also won a Dean's Award for Excellence in Teaching in 2009.[3]

Between 2000 and 2007, he directed Stanford's excavation at Monte Polizzo, Sicily, Italy.[2]

He has been awarded research fellowships from the John Simon Guggenheim Memorial Foundation, Hoover Institution,[4] National Endowment for the Humanities,[2] Center for Hellenic Studies in Washington, D.C.,[5] and Institute for Research in the Humanities, University of Wisconsin-Madison.[5] He is also a Corresponding Fellow of the British Academy and has been awarded honorary degrees by De Pauw University and Birmingham University. In 2012 his work was the subject of a lengthy profile in the Chronicle of Higher Education.[6] He delivered the Tanner Lectures on Human Values at Princeton University in 2012.[7]
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Am prone to believe his views over yours because of his creds.

As for "Oh boy, you know so little. Oh, you know all with your god.", so true, that's why I rely on men like Prof. Ian Morris.

Now you refer to another person.

You should be able to make an argument by yourself, can you?

I don't buy your Desmond Morris in this context, though I have read one book of his.

But then you believe in authority, be it Desmond Morris, g-d or whatever.

Try to do argumentation with what you know, not with you believe in.

So it goes.

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nero wrote:
Now you refer to another person.

You should be able to make an argument by yourself, can you?

I don't buy your Desmond Morris in this context, though I have read one book of his.

But then you believe in authority, be it Desmond Morris, g-d or whatever.

Try to do argumentation with what you know, not with you believe in.

So it goes.
Naturally I rely on others, just like I rely on Einstein for the theory of relativity.

By the way, if read my quote you'll find it's Ian Morris, not Desmond Morris that I'm using as a reference.

Besides there are two other Prof./author's I've referenced on this thread.

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abradley wrote:
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Now you refer to another person.

You should be able to make an argument by yourself, can you?

I don't buy your Desmond Morris in this context, though I have read one book of his.

But then you believe in authority, be it Desmond Morris, g-d or whatever.

Try to do argumentation with what you know, not with you believe in.

So it goes.
Naturally I rely on others, just like I rely on Einstein for the theory of relativity.

By the way, if read my quote you'll find it's Ian Morris, not Desmond Morris that I'm using as a reference.

Besides there are two other Prof./author's I've referenced on this thread.

Well, I am OK, you referring to Einstein. No problems there.

But the problem is that you bring up some shady persons, or shady videos.

That is just not good enough. Scientific, peer reviewed stuff do.

And I will not watch your hour long pseudo whatever videos any more.

You are a charlatan, only some dim videos with you. :roll:

You are mocking the g-d. :shock:

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nero wrote:
Well, I am OK, you referring to Einstein. No problems there.

But the problem is that you bring up some shady persons, or shady videos.

That is just not good enough. Scientific, peer reviewed stuff do.

And I will not watch your hour long pseudo whatever videos any more.

You are a charlatan, only some dim videos with you. :roll:

You are mocking the g-d. :shock:
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abradley wrote:
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Well, I am OK, you referring to Einstein. No problems there.

But the problem is that you bring up some shady persons, or shady videos.

That is just not good enough. Scientific, peer reviewed stuff do.

And I will not watch your hour long pseudo whatever videos any more.

You are a charlatan, only some dim videos with you. :roll:

You are mocking the g-d. :shock:
:cry:

But what say you, to defend your position?

Try something, if you can.

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nero wrote:
But what say you, to defend your position?

Try something, if you can.
Am satisfied with my replies.


At 39:00 mentions Diamond.

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abradley wrote:
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But what say you, to defend your position?

Try something, if you can.
Am satisfied with my replies.


At 39:00 mentions Diamond.

I did not watch the whole video through. But your guy is agreeing with some other guys that inventing agriculture changed things. Some historians actually call the invention of agriculture the biggest mistake of human race.

Agriculture and more concentrated power systems enabled more structured violence that we call war. War does not come from a vacuum and create order.

Ei kiivetä perse edellä puuhun - don't climb a tree with your arse upwards.

But the difference between with us is that you take your authorities as the final word, while I take mine as sources of ideas that can and must be developed.

You seek for final answers, I seek for more and deeper understanding.

No hard feelings. ;)

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Hanson and Diamond discussion 'why the west?'

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Christianity the reason for West's success, say the Chinese

In the West we are doing our best to destroy our Christian heritage but in China, Chinese intellectuals are coming around to the view that it is precisely this heritage that has made the West so successful.

Former editor of the Sunday Telegraph, Dominic Lawson, in a review in the Sunday Times of Niall Ferguson's new book, ‘Civilisation: The West and the Rest’, carries a quote from a member of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in which he tries to account for the success of the West, to date.

He said: “One of the things we were asked to look into was what accounted for the success, in fact, the pre-eminence of the West all over the world.

“We studied everything we could from the historical, political, economic, and cultural perspective. At first, we thought it was because you had more powerful guns than we had.

“Then we thought it was because you had the best political system. Next we focused on your economic system.

“But in the past twenty years, we have realised that the heart of your culture is your religion: Christianity. That is why the West is so powerful.

“The Christian moral foundation of social and cultural life was what made possible the emergence of capitalism and then the successful transition to democratic politics. We don’t have any doubt about this.”

Note the source. It isn't from a religious leader, or some religious think-tank. The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences is an instrument of the Chinese Communist government which spends a not inconsiderable amount of time and money persecuting Christians and is officially atheistic.

If this is the conclusion it has come to, maybe Europe needs to reconsider whether it mightn't be an idea to encourage rather than eradicate Christianity.

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Many people think that culture manifests as religion.

This is a fallacy.

Religion is the thing that manifests in culture and civilization.

The problem with European atheism is that it rejects *everything* that Christianity has to offer; not just the idea of god and angels but the very notions of family, honesty, love, compassion, moral integrity, high moral standards, equality and so forth.

So they proceed to attack institutions like family, having children, there being any notion of moral standards or norms and so forth.

What they achieve is an anarchy of philosophy and religion, a chaos and a vacuum which is now unable to defend itself for it doesn't exist in any other form than nihilism that is so insecure that it will rip at itself while inviting vultures to join in.

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