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Anything else?

Of course there is.

Where did all start, culture I mean. There is so much old thing, unknown things.

Persian gulf was dry land 9000 years ago. The sea level was 100 meters lower than now.

There are so many unknown unknowns. ;)
Long ago somebody posted that Jared Diamond's Guns' Germs, and Steal was the 'Cat Pajama's', I hadn't heard of him so did some checking. And came away feeling he's popular because he's writing for the in crowd, not for history or anthropology:
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Jared Diamond dismantles racially based theories of human history by revealing the environmental factors he feels are responsible for history's broadest patterns.

Read an excerpt of this book


Modern historians don't use racially based theories. The three works I posted here aren't racially based, their theories are based on Geography, Climate, and Culture.
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Why Does Jared Diamond Make Anthropologists So Mad?

January 17, 20132:49 PM ET

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Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond

In 1997, ten years after calling agriculture The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race, Jared Diamond came out with Guns, Germs, and Steel. It’s become a landmark, best-seller book that would win the Pulitzer Prize and be filmed by National Geographic for PBS. Guns Germs and Steel is surely the most widely read book about agriculture anyone has ever written.

Jared Diamond’s ideas about human society and human nature continue to be enormously influential. For an update, check out the Gun Control Podcast. Diamond’s viewpoint has become so influential that I try to address it throughout the sections on Archaeology.

The key question is whether Jared Diamond’s work is broadly correct about human history or a distortion of that history. I argue that although Diamond makes interesting points, his work from Guns Germs and Steel to Collapse is a distorting disservice to the real historical record. Diamond claims that the differential success of the world’s nations is due to the accidents of agriculture, except when societies “choose to fail.” This claim does not withstand scrutiny. I argue Diamond’s ideas should not be promoted or taught.
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https://livinganthropologically.com/arc ... d-diamond/
As for the Gulf being nearly dry 9000 years ago, naturally, with all the pollution from animal farts the earth was in a global warming period. ;)

Then again maybe it was just a natural warming and cooling cycle. (Only the shadow knows.)

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Jared Diamond is very good at selling books.

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Jared Diamond is very good at selling books.

And does not emphasize the superiority of the nordic race enough. :roll:

That materialistic nitwit. :twisted:

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nero wrote:
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Jared Diamond is very good at selling books.

And does not emphasize the superiority of the nordic race enough. :roll:

That materialistic nitwit. :twisted:


That is a problem you identify with him? :twisted:

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And does not emphasize the superiority of the nordic race enough. :roll:

That materialistic nitwit. :twisted:


That is a problem you identify with him? :twisted:

I can identify your lack of sarcasm. ;)

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Jared Diamond is very good at selling books.



Guns, Germs, and Steel. Where anthropology is turned into gimmick. :roll:

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Jared Diamond is very good at selling books.



Guns, Germs, and Steel. Where anthropology is turned into gimmick. :roll:

So what is your problem with Guns, Germs, and Steel then?

Just curious. ;)

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Am reading another book by Ian Morris:
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War! What Is It Good For?: Conflict and the Progress of Civilization from Primates to Robots
https://www.amazon.com/War-What-Good-Co ... bc?ie=UTF8
A powerful and provocative exploration of how war has changed our society—for the better

"War! . . . . / What is it good for? / Absolutely nothing," says the famous song—but archaeology, history, and biology show that war in fact has been good for something. Surprising as it sounds, war has made humanity safer and richer.

In War! What Is It Good For?, the renowned historian and archaeologist Ian Morris tells the gruesome, gripping story of fifteen thousand years of war, going beyond the battles and brutality to reveal what war has really done to and for the world. Stone Age people lived in small, feuding societies and stood a one-in-ten or even one-in-five chance of dying violently. In the twentieth century, by contrast—despite two world wars, Hiroshima, and the Holocaust—fewer than one person in a hundred died violently. The explanation: War, and war alone, has created bigger, more complex societies, ruled by governments that have stamped out internal violence. Strangely enough, killing has made the world safer, and the safety it has produced has allowed people to make the world richer too.

War has been history's greatest paradox, but this searching study of fifteen thousand years of violence suggests that the next half century is going to be the most dangerous of all time. If we can survive it, the age-old dream of ending war may yet come to pass. But, Morris argues, only if we understand what war has been good for can we know where it will take us next.
Interesting, without war would we still be living as Jared Diamond seems to want...primitive cultures?

If so, would you be Conan the Barbarian?
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abradley wrote:
Am reading another book by Ian Morris:
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War! What Is It Good For?: Conflict and the Progress of Civilization from Primates to Robots
https://www.amazon.com/War-What-Good-Co ... bc?ie=UTF8
A powerful and provocative exploration of how war has changed our society—for the better

"War! . . . . / What is it good for? / Absolutely nothing," says the famous song—but archaeology, history, and biology show that war in fact has been good for something. Surprising as it sounds, war has made humanity safer and richer.

In War! What Is It Good For?, the renowned historian and archaeologist Ian Morris tells the gruesome, gripping story of fifteen thousand years of war, going beyond the battles and brutality to reveal what war has really done to and for the world. Stone Age people lived in small, feuding societies and stood a one-in-ten or even one-in-five chance of dying violently. In the twentieth century, by contrast—despite two world wars, Hiroshima, and the Holocaust—fewer than one person in a hundred died violently. The explanation: War, and war alone, has created bigger, more complex societies, ruled by governments that have stamped out internal violence. Strangely enough, killing has made the world safer, and the safety it has produced has allowed people to make the world richer too.

War has been history's greatest paradox, but this searching study of fifteen thousand years of violence suggests that the next half century is going to be the most dangerous of all time. If we can survive it, the age-old dream of ending war may yet come to pass. But, Morris argues, only if we understand what war has been good for can we know where it will take us next.
Interesting, without war would we still be living as Jared Diamond seems to want...primitive cultures?

If so, would you be Conan the Barbarian?
or

Oh boy, you know so little. Oh, you know all with your god.

There is no evidence of paleolitic hunter gatherers having violent encounters. :roll:

The biggest mistake of human history, invention of agriculture allowed bigger population and hence the concept of ownership of land. That was the time when wars started. And slavery.

A hunter gatherer worked less than four hours a day and did eat very healthy food. How about the early farmers, the inventors? Not so, the the later the enslaved farmers did even worse.

Was that a good thing? :roll:

Class society and such. I don't really find it a good thing.

I have different ideas for the future. ;)

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nero wrote:
Oh boy, you know so little. Oh, you know all with your god.

There is no evidence of paleolitic hunter gatherers having violent encounters. :roll:

The biggest mistake of human history, invention of agriculture allowed bigger population and hence the concept of ownership of land. That was the time when wars started. And slavery.

A hunter gatherer worked less than four hours a day and did eat very healthy food. How about the early farmers, the inventors? Not so, the the later the enslaved farmers did even worse.

Was that a good thing? :roll:

Class society and such. I don't really find it a good thing.

I have different ideas for the future. ;)
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Ian Morris (historian)
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Ian M. Morris
Ian morris 3235.JPG
Born 27 January 1960 (age 57)
Nationality British
Education The Thomas Alleyne School
Alma mater University of Birmingham;
Cambridge University
Occupation professor
Known for Why the West Rules--For Now

Ian Matthew Morris (born 27 January 1960) is a British historian and academic. He is currently Willard Professor of Classics at Stanford University.[1]

Contents

1 Early life
2 Career
3 Why the West Rules—For Now
4 The Measure of Civilization
5 War! What is it Good For?: Conflict and the Progress of Civilization from Primates to Robots
6 Awards and honors
7 Bibliography
8 References
9 External links

Early life

Morris grew up in the United Kingdom. He attended Alleyne's comprehensive school in Stone, Staffordshire, and studied ancient history and archaeology at the University of Birmingham. He gained his PhD at Cambridge University.[1]
Career

From 1987 to 1995, he taught at the University of Chicago. Since 1995, he has been at Stanford.

Since joining Stanford, he has served as Associate Dean of Humanities and Sciences, Chair of the Classics Department, and Director of the Social Science History Institute. He was one of the founders of the Stanford Archaeology Center and has served two terms as its director.[2] He has published extensively on the history and the archaeology of the [history of the Mediterranean region|ancient Mediterranean]] and on world history. He has also won a Dean's Award for Excellence in Teaching in 2009.[3]

Between 2000 and 2007, he directed Stanford's excavation at Monte Polizzo, Sicily, Italy.[2]

He has been awarded research fellowships from the John Simon Guggenheim Memorial Foundation, Hoover Institution,[4] National Endowment for the Humanities,[2] Center for Hellenic Studies in Washington, D.C.,[5] and Institute for Research in the Humanities, University of Wisconsin-Madison.[5] He is also a Corresponding Fellow of the British Academy and has been awarded honorary degrees by De Pauw University and Birmingham University. In 2012 his work was the subject of a lengthy profile in the Chronicle of Higher Education.[6] He delivered the Tanner Lectures on Human Values at Princeton University in 2012.[7]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Morris_(historian)#Awards_and_honors
Am prone to believe his views over yours because of his creds.

As for "Oh boy, you know so little. Oh, you know all with your god.", so true, that's why I rely on men like Prof. Ian Morris.

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