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 Post subject: The Shroud and the jew: Barrie Schwortz at TEDx
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Barrie Schwortz was the photographer when the team investigated the shroud and has been involved with it since.



http://www.shroud.com/ is the site he set up to answer questions.


Is more detailed look at the investigation.

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 Post subject: Re: The Shroud and the jew: Barrie Schwortz at TEDx
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I heard that, in order to speak at a TED you basically had to join their cult . . . never liked their dynamic at all. Makes me think they have some kinda hidden agenda, else they are nothing but P.T. Barnum's selling people whatever they want to hear.

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I heard that, in order to speak at a TED you basically had to join their cult . . . never liked their dynamic at all. Makes me think they have some kinda hidden agenda, else they are nothing but P.T. Barnum's selling people whatever they want to hear.
Don't know a thing about TED and cult status. Have seen many TED shows with some well know speakers like:
http://www.ted.com/talks/niall_ferguson ... prosperity

I'll take the statement starting around 9:00 in your video as my guide.

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 Post subject: Re: The Shroud and the jew: Barrie Schwortz at TEDx
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Just in case one point got overlooked: the people who attend the conferences (not the fellows who speak) have to APPLY to attend, and then they PAY $8K to attend.

Tell me that doesn't sound cult like.

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 Post subject: Re: The Shroud and the jew: Barrie Schwortz at TEDx
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Back to the Shroud, so far the two videos have covered Barrie Schwortz, what about the evidence collected?


About 7:00 that it starts.

Interesting, the evidence seems to say a man was buried in it 2000 years ago ... who he was is yet to be proven, the physical markings on the shroud fit with Jesus's torture as described in the bible.

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Just in case one point got overlooked: the people who attend the conferences (not the fellows who speak) have to APPLY to attend, and then they PAY $8K to attend.

Tell me that doesn't sound cult like.
I honestly don't know if it's cult like.

If the speakers complain that their being badgered to change their talks then I'll cease viewing their videos.

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Robert J. Spitzer, S.J., (born May 16, 1952) is a Jesuit priest, philosopher, educator, author, speaker, and retired President of Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington. Spitzer is founder and currently active as President of the Magis Center of Reason and Faith, a non-profit organization dedicated to developing educational materials on the complementarity of science, philosophy, and faith. He is also President of the Spitzer Center of Ethical Leadership, dedicated to helping Catholic and for-profit organizations develop leadership, constructive cultures, and virtue ethics.
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He has eye problems.

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Carbon dating and dna tests would solve the problem.

But another question is how would Pope Frank react in case of extraterrestrial intelligence is found?

Think about that. What would Jesus say?

:mrgreen:

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nero wrote:
Carbon dating and dna tests would solve the problem.

But another question is how would Pope Frank react in case of extraterrestrial intelligence is found?

Think about that. What would Jesus say?

:mrgreen:
Maybe, the earlier tests didn't.

It's a scientific anomaly, who knows what results might come from the investigation.

It belongs to the 'living' pope, given to him by the house of Savoy a few years ago. He'll decide.

As for my faith, if it's proven a fake-so what, it being a fake doesn't disprove the Christian faith. I assumed it was a medieval hoax until recently, now I ain't so sure.

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abradley wrote:
nero wrote:
Carbon dating and dna tests would solve the problem.

But another question is how would Pope Frank react in case of extraterrestrial intelligence is found?

Think about that. What would Jesus say?

:mrgreen:
Maybe, the earlier tests didn't.

It's a scientific anomaly, who knows what results might come from the investigation.

It belongs to the 'living' pope, given to him by the house of Savoy a few years ago. He'll decide.

As for my faith, if it's proven a fake-so what, it being a fake doesn't disprove the Christian faith. I assumed it was a medieval hoax until recently, now I ain't so sure.

I have seen a documentary telling that the thing is a hoax made no less that Leonardo Da Vinci. ;)

Examine it, all of it with modern science. ;)

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