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 Post subject: Catholic Poland crushes the Soviet invasion on Europe, 1920
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Following WW1 Europe was a mess with Marxist threatening to take control everywhere. As the opening of this short film sez, Poland was the key, control it and the Soviet had access to Western Europe.

Tried to find another documentary, not so Catholic, but all I found were Polish only.

Still this one tells the tale.
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Catholic Poland crushes the Soviet invasion on Europe, A.D. 1920
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AD 1920. The Polish people puts up an epic defense of the country against the invasion of the Soviet Union. The special words of gratitude to Cardinal Achille Ratti, the ambassador of the Holy See to Poland and the future Pope Pius XI, who was the only diplomat in Warsaw that didn't flee the city during the Bolshevik siege in August 1920.

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The most heartfelt words of gratitude to the most faithful and genuine friends that Poland has ever had:

- to The United States of America, to President Woodrow Wilson personally and above all, to the heroic volunteers from the U.S. Air Force, who came to defend Poland from the communist doom led by the voice of the heart .

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.", John 15,13

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Must watch it.

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Michner's novel Poland gives a sort of pro-Polish overview of Polish history including the 1920 war. Read it 20 years ago, liked it then...

“A Pole is a man born with a sword in his right hand, a brick in his left. When the battle is over, he starts to rebuild.”


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Michner's novel Poland gives a sort of pro-Polish overview of Polish history including the 1920 war. Read it 20 years ago, liked it then...

“A Pole is a man born with a sword in his right hand, a brick in his left. When the battle is over, he starts to rebuild.”
Yah, read Michner's many novels. They were good but liberal.

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Never heard of this conflict. Looking on Google I was unable to determine who attacked whom. The Wiki entry makes it seem like suddenly battle was raging and Poland was driving east trying to establish a breakaway republic in Ukraine.

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Further googling reveals another wiki entry that indicates that the Poles started the war in 1919 with the goal of expanding the Polish border eastward and establishing a rump state in Ukraine.

IMO that makes the USSR's attack on Poland in 1939 more understandable.

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Yes, there were territorial disputes.

But the final outcome according to historians:
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Main article: Aftermath of the Polish–Soviet War
Further information: Controversies of the Polish–Soviet War
According to the British historian A. J. P. Taylor, the Polish–Soviet War "largely determined the course of European history for the next twenty years or more. [...] Unavowedly and almost unconsciously, Soviet leaders abandoned the cause of international revolution." It would be twenty years before the Bolsheviks would send their armies abroad to 'make revolution'.[26][100] According to American sociologist Alexander Gella, "the Polish victory had gained twenty years of independence not only for Poland, but at least for an entire central part of Europe."[101]
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IMO that makes the USSR's attack on Poland in 1939 more understandable.


Do you mean the Nazi Germany - USSR co-operation under the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact? :mrgreen:


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Further googling reveals another wiki entry that indicates that the Poles started the war in 1919 with the goal of expanding the Polish border eastward and establishing a rump state in Ukraine.

IMO that makes the USSR's attack on Poland in 1939 more understandable.


USSR had an alliance with Nazis which included the division of entire eastern Europe.

As for Polish-Soviet War, it was a war between Poland and the democratic Ukraine vs. the communists. Essentially two republics fighting commies. Poles wanted the Polish land back that had been stolen in 18th century by Russia, commies wanted to restore the empire. France was supporting the democracy side in the war.

Soon after the Polish-Soviet War the Soviets turned on their allies in the Free Territory, claiming the anarchist nation of 'sabotage and attacks' and conquered the Ukrainian lands ruthlessly and set up a harsh military occupation and starved millions of Ukrainians to death in the coming years as a punishment for having had the wrong kind of communism without party and leaders.


In my opinion, you always seem to have enormous compassion for the Russian cause. That said, today Russia is the conservative anti-globalization force in Europe and we Europeans may yet soon find ourselves allied with them to end the tyranny of the Islamist Red-Green globalists.

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What land was stolen in the 18thC by Russia? Not being sarcastic.

From what I've read, Lithuania grabbed a whole bunch of Russian land after the collapse of Kievan Rus. Russia then took it back in the 16thC. Grand Duchy of Lithuania then involved Poland in its war with Moscovy, meaning that Poland was in some sense of the word an ally of a nation that stole Russian land in a war in which Russia was trying to get its land back.

On the balance, it looks like Russia was a victim of Catholic nations in the west far more often than Russia was the instigator.

As for communism, so what? The world loves Commies. The world loooves the Peoples' Republic of China. The leadership of the EU and the US can't fellate members of the Chinese politburo fast enough when it comes to trade.

A thing occurs to me. The USSR may have been about communism, but within that Russia has always been about Russia and the USSR first and foremost served Russia. Considering how often the west has invaded Russia, welll.....

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Do you mean the Nazi Germany - USSR co-operation under the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact?


Yes. I don't see that the Germans had any legitimate beef but can see why the Russians would want to deal a bucketload of revenge. The Russians seem to have very long memories, and seem willing to wait as long as needed to deliver payback. Sucks to be on the receiving end of that but IMO revenge is a beautiful thing.

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