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 Post subject: Re: The Katana
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:48 am 
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Oh Lord, I thought we were done with the Katana.

When playing Morrowind my favorite is a 'Bound Dagger'.

Get in close and start daggering, don't give 'em a chance to respond.

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I like to beat the dead horse which is katana in this case.

Fetch a historical one with all the burnt shit in the steel and put it in the hands of a guy wearing fricking leather armor or in the extremely rare case that he's got the best Japan had to offer o-yoroi - he might have actual *iron* slabs over his torso that weigh a shit ton so he can't put armor on rest of his body like standard European footsoldier since 14th century who'd have as standard issue brigand armor with overlapping steel strips forming a great defense or just straight steel plate covering every inch of the body.

"But samurai fought hard"
Bullshido. Invented in the 19th century by a Japanese guy who didn't even speak Japanese and who was ridiculed for his book by those who actually knew anything about samurai and the history of Japan. Not that it would stop Imperial Japanese government from forging bullshido into some national mythos in an attempt to make their soldiers fight harder and if that wasn't enough they always had a bunch of hiropon (heroine) at hand in case the "warrior spirit" would falter at the prospect of pretending that your rifle is a spear as you charge the killzone of overlapping machine gun nests.

They're very, very patriotic I'll give them that. Patriotic to a fault where they distort the history to fit their jingoist and chauvinist nationalism.

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Good links. I much prefer the actual history than national mythos-ethos-chauvinistic-bullshit. This had it - actual history.

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Japan didn't have any iron. Katanas were made out of meteoric iron. Given how rare that is you could see how it had this almost religious aura about it.

In Europe on the other hand steel was no problem at all, they had loads of it. No need for fancy smelting of low quality backings to high quality edges, because you didn't need to use low quality iron at all.

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I much prefer the actual history than national mythos-ethos-chauvinistic-bullshit. This had it - actual history.



Indeed!

The actual history is very telling about how the modern myth of Bushido is historically incorrect.

The Sengoku Jidai period is an extremely interesting one. Those were some very ruthless bastards, and it went on for a long time. Definitely none of that modern concept of Bushido evident as a rule. Which makes the period even more interesting for the lack of it.

The same can be said for the romanticizing of other feudal societies. European knights, and it's chivalry, being another obvious one that got fictionalized after the fact. Of course, we've widely known that was the case for awhile now. Not so regarding Bushido.

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EUBanana wrote:
Japan didn't have any iron. Katanas were made out of meteoric iron. Given how rare that is you could see how it had this almost religious aura about it.

In Europe on the other hand steel was no problem at all, they had loads of it. No need for fancy smelting of low quality backings to high quality edges, because you didn't need to use low quality iron at all.
View the second of the opening videos, Katanas were made from 'sand'. Europe had the same quality resources.

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