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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:53 am 
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Why did the Ice Age end? Why did it begin, why did the one before that end, why did IT begin . . . and on and on I wait but no answer has ever come . . .

Phlogiston from the dark side of the Moon. :roll:

As can found from the article: What Triggers Ice Ages?.

So it goes.

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Why did the Ice Age end? Why did it begin, why did the one before that end, why did IT begin . . . and on and on I wait but no answer has ever come . . .


That is incorrect. Milankovic Cycles account for most of it:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130807134127.htm

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 Post subject: Re: 2 Questions to Shut Up Nauseating Global Warming Proslet
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So . . . how do modern day "climate change models" mathematically control for the factors described in the Nova article. Simple question. Let me know when you have the answer, which is also a simple answer . . . here let me just answer it for you:

Anthropogenic climate change models DO NOT control for the factors that are empirically strong candidates for actual historical geological climate change.

Combine this with the fact that your predictions have proven to be shite, and the oceans are no deeper than they ever were and you have your whole fucking retarded religion summarized in less than 500 words.

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Your question seems nonsensical. Maybe you could clarify?

Your original statement was essentially 'no one knows what caused ice ages.' That statement is false. There is a very strong general statistical model that links solar cycles and milankovic cycles with ice ages. It's a retrospective model. No one can directly measure the Earth's albedo at 65 North on some date 20,000 years ago. So the Ice Ages explanatory model of itself does not predict future climate. It simply illustrates that there is strong correlation with known causes, and that the absence of other causes, leaves scientists with a current "best model given known facts" for explaining past ice ages.

That is how REAL science works, lad. It's not "explain everything to the minutest detail or else the whole model is junk." It's about the best working model given available data. Models can change as new data are acquired.

Now, if you are specifically asking about Climate Forecasting Models. That is DIFFERENT from explanations of past Ice Ages. Forecasting models start with solar cycles and milankovic cycles, and then add layers of detail because climate is a complex adaptive system. For forecasting you have to add in general oceanic circulation, atmospheric circulation, and albedo. In part that is because for forecasting you want models that can tell you what will happen on very short time scales. Non geological time scales. Human lifetime time scales.

(That is why forecasting differs from explanations of Ice Ages btw. If you want explanations for ice ages, models that correlate well on geological time scales are the gold standard. But the temporal errors are on the order of a few thousand years. If that were GOOD ENOUGH, then we could predict that Earth will drop into another ice age, sometime in the next thousand years, absent any CO2 forcing effects. That is why journalists in the 1970s looking for something sensational to talk about were harping about the 'coming Ice Age.')

So are you asking for mathematical details about Climate Forecasting models? You do understand that there are a bunch of such models right? I can get you links to some of them.

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And a temporary planet rotation slowdown as part of the mix?

Maybe our earth is complicated, not the one trick pony so many assume.

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Powerful earthquakes to ravage Earth in 2018 as planet's rotation temporarily slows

Experts believe there is a correlation between the slowing of the Earth's rotation and more powerful earthquakes

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ByJeff ParsonsTech/Science reporter

14:16, 2 JAN 2018Updated16:43, 2 JAN 2018

The world is entering a period of higher seismic activity this year that will bring more earthquakes with it, scientists have predicted.

While that's undoubtedly bad news for those living within affected areas, the ability to accurately predict when and where earthquakes will occur is growing all the time.

This prediction comes from the fact that the Earth is currently experiencing a periodic slowdown of its rotation.

Historically, these slowdowns have coincided with peak times for earthquakes and seismic activity.

"So far we have only had about six severe earthquakes [in 2017]. We could easily have 20-a-year starting in 2018,” said Dr Roger Bilham from the University of Colorado.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/science/powerfu ... 8-11785189

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Can you give a specific example of the one trick pony model that concerns you?

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Can you give a specific example of the one trick pony model that concerns you?
:lol: And I thought that was a such a clever phrase.

How about 'Global warming is man's fault.'

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Hmmm. Not exactly a model that.

The current round of global warming seems to be primarily humanity's "fault." CO2 forcing will do that. (Indeed, it can't NOT do that). Since there is no compelling alternative explanation for the current warming trend, you could say that it's by far the best explanation given available data.

For my part, watching empires crumble under that which is coming might be fun. If it sounds like I am comfortable with the "end of the world as we know it" ... well, you could say I feel fine. :mrgreen: One way or another the problem will either be resolved by human effort or it will fix itself.

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Here is some real science for you:

Water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas. You can see it and observe it's effect; i.e. cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights. The amount of C02 in the air is negligible and has absolutely no effect on the global climate. Climate cultists are simply communists in lab coats and the "science" is about money grabbing, Only an imbecile would argue draconian taxes are going to change the climate.

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