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 Post subject: Re: 2 Questions to Shut Up Nauseating Global Warming Proslet
PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:09 pm 
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The following video kind of destroys Bill Whittle's "Is climate change real?"-video that I think I have seen on this forum. But I could not find that video.

Anyway here is the act of debunking.



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 Post subject: Re: 2 Questions to Shut Up Nauseating Global Warming Proslet
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Thankfully, there are always curious investigators

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 Post subject: Re: 2 Questions to Shut Up Nauseating Global Warming Proslet
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Nothing new there, the only thing is that no mention to ice ages. The ice ages are also cause for the same reasons, so there is a connection. when there is lot of ice in the North, Sahare is green.

There are lot of things we could discuss, without too much of ah-ness from your side. ;)

There so many interesting things out there. :roll:

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You did notice the general orientation of the Tethys Sea and its longitudinal position, right? You should look up about the geological era that came after the Eocene, the Miocene, the period during which the "stage was set" for your climate fears.

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You did notice the general orientation of the Tethys Sea and its longitudinal position, right? You should look up about the geological era that came after the Eocene, the Miocene, the period during which the "stage was set" for your climate fears.


Of course I know what happens when the african landmass hits the North, the Alps result. And in Sahara something different.

But in the shorter time scale the planetary things dominate, periodically, for a while. But from now the human generated dominates.

How about that? :roll:

Any other theories than CO2?

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nero wrote:
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You did notice the general orientation of the Tethys Sea and its longitudinal position, right? You should look up about the geological era that came after the Eocene, the Miocene, the period during which the "stage was set" for your climate fears.


Of course I know what happens when the african landmass hits the North, the Alps result. And in Sahara something different.

But in the shorter time scale the planetary things dominate, periodically, for a while. But from now the human generated dominates.

How about that? :roll:

Any other theories than CO2?


No theories, just questions: why did climate fluctuate so much over the past 45 million years or so. You've never answered that question and without an answer to that question, predicting climate over the next 100 or 1000 years is a fools errand.

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No theories, just questions: why did climate fluctuate so much over the past 45 million years or so. You've never answered that question and without an answer to that question, predicting climate over the next 100 or 1000 years is a fools errand.

Oh no, here we again.

But duty calls, so I try.

It is the question of time scale. As in the Sahara video showed, previous seabed can change to try land. For this the extreme example would be the Himalayas, former seabed between the Asian continent and India on collision course.

The geological time scale is thens or hundreds of millions of years, while the Milankovitch cycles have time scale of tens of thousand years. You can understand this, right?

While it is trivially true that the Sun is the only external energy source to the Earth, the Sun has been very stable energy source. The intensity has grown some 5% during the last 500 million years.

So the Sun is not change the climate. It has to be something else.

And it is the distribution of land masses and ocean currents that decide how warm the Earth is. And the plate tectonics change eventually the climate.

But there has been more abrupt changes caused by plate tectonics like the the incidence of the Siberian Traps. The massive volcanic action initally caused climate cooling but eventually the CO2 emission caused greenhouse warming that cause one of the mass extinctions in the Earth's history.

And now the CO2 level rising faster that during that period, and the temperature is also rising about 20 times faster than 15000 years ago when the Earth was coming out of the last ice age.

So I conclude it is much easier to predict what happens in 100 or 1000 years. You don't have care of the plate tectonics so much, perhaps a little about Milankovitch cycles. But mostly all depends of the greenhouse gases emitted by man. OK, if the Yellowstone explodes we are all dead.

Satisfied? :roll:


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Obviously the fact that climate has changed in the past means that the past reasons must be driving the current climate change. Therefore, according to "global warming skeptics" (cough cough MORONS cough cough), the reason why the Earth is suddenly hotter is because all of the major continents drifted 500 miles closer to the equator in the last 50 years without anyone actually NOTICING that was happening. And the reason why things are warming faster in the northern temperate zone rather than closer to the equator is because Invisible Stealth Unicorns are using their wings to clandestinely fan the warm air masses to points north of 44 N lat.

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nero wrote:
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No theories, just questions: why did climate fluctuate so much over the past 45 million years or so. You've never answered that question and without an answer to that question, predicting climate over the next 100 or 1000 years is a fools errand.

Oh no, here we again.

But duty calls, so I try.

It is the question of time scale. As in the Sahara video showed, previous seabed can change to try land. For this the extreme example would be the Himalayas, former seabed between the Asian continent and India on collision course.

The geological time scale is thens or hundreds of millions of years, while the Milankovitch cycles have time scale of tens of thousand years. You can understand this, right?

While it is trivially true that the Sun is the only external energy source to the Earth, the Sun has been very stable energy source. The intensity has grown some 5% during the last 500 million years.

So the Sun is not change the climate. It has to be something else.

And it is the distribution of land masses and ocean currents that decide how warm the Earth is. And the plate tectonics change eventually the climate.

But there has been more abrupt changes caused by plate tectonics like the the incidence of the Siberian Traps. The massive volcanic action initally caused climate cooling but eventually the CO2 emission caused greenhouse warming that cause one of the mass extinctions in the Earth's history.

And now the CO2 level rising faster that during that period, and the temperature is also rising about 20 times faster than 15000 years ago when the Earth was coming out of the last ice age.

So I conclude it is much easier to predict what happens in 100 or 1000 years. You don't have care of the plate tectonics so much, perhaps a little about Milankovitch cycles. But mostly all depends of the greenhouse gases emitted by man. OK, if the Yellowstone explodes we are all dead.

Satisfied? :roll:



So how do you express that mathematically so it is accounted for in your "models?"

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So how do you express that mathematically so it is accounted for in your "models?"

My model has everything in, from the cosmic inflation to Jesus' second coming. :roll:

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