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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:28 pm 
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Leaked Army video shows a future of urban hellscapes

The Intercept got hold of an Army video that warns of the complexities of maintaining military control in the cities of the future. The megacities of the future (population >10M), the video asserts, will be more densely populated and socially and politically complex than anything we know today. People will be stacked up—people living in high-rise apartments, at street level, and below the streets—with distinct political and social systems at each level.



The Intercept seems to make fun of the video, but I don't see much to laugh about. Sure, the use of third-world imagery of overpopulation and political strife used by the producers (which remain anonymous) is something we've seen before. But the reason those images are relevant is because they depict present-day cities that are already well on their way to the megacity dynamic described in the video. MS
So how to combat this, it's not unlike our inner cities and their problems. Just on a larger scale, much larger.

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Mega Cities, Ungoverned Areas, and the Challenge of Army Urban Combat Operations in 2030-2040
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Journal Article | January 23, 2014 - 3:09pm


Mega Cities, Ungoverned Areas, and the Challenge of Army Urban Combat Operations in 2030-2040

David Shunk

The Worst Policy is to Attack Cities. Attack Cities Only When There is No Alternative.1

Sun Tzu, Art of War

Convinced that Hitler would employ whatever forces were necessary to seize the city [Stalingrad]…the sole function of the [Soviet 62nd & 64th Armies] was to lure combat ready German forces into the city…, sap their strength in the kind of street combat for which German soldiers were neither trained nor accustomed to fighting. By staying close to the German attackers and contesting every block, the Soviet soldiers deprived the Germans of the greatest advantages: firepower and maneuver. 2

Mega cities will complicate and greatly challenge Army urban combat missions in the 2030-2040 timeframe. By 2030 three out of five persons are forecast to reside in cities. This migration will bring competing interests into conflict and raise the chances for urban combat operations. Urban combat is the great leveler. Standoff technologies are negated and the city fight is still street to street, floor to floor, and often face to face. This paper will discuss mega city challenges and characteristics, the problems of ungoverned areas, offer historical examples of urban combat and the challenges of land combat in mega cities in 2030-2040. The Army should study urban combat in mega cities to develop the capabilities required for success in 2030-2040.

What is a Mega City?

So what is a mega city? As defined by the United Nations, a mega city is defined as a city with more than 10 million inhabitants.3 Today twenty four mega cities exist and by 2025 at least twenty seven cities will be classified as mega cities.4 The current largest mega city, Tokyo, has a population of over 32 million and a city area that is 56 miles wide and 16 miles long. Any type of Army mission in a mega city will face daunting challenges.

Mega cities will further complicate the political, social, and military landscape in 2030-2040. Megacities and regional groupings are likely to assume increasing political and economic powers, whereas countries and global multilateral institutions will struggle to keep up with the rapid rise of their power.5 With the rise of the mega city autonomy what are key mega city characteristics and problems?

Characteristics and Problems in Mega Cities:
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Urban combat is pure hell, iirc there are a couple of our guys who experienced it. The article gives examples of some of the worse.

The point is ... how do we forestall the threat?

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On the other hand urban combat has many interesting features.

Use of robots, use of thermobaric weapons, thermal weapons etc.

Clear a building with robots and then just collect the scrap and fix the robots. The cost is purely financial, no longer sapping an entire civilization of young men.

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On the other hand urban combat has many interesting features.

Use of robots, use of thermobaric weapons, thermal weapons etc.

Clear a building with robots and then just collect the scrap and fix the robots. The cost is purely financial, no longer sapping an entire civilization of young men.
Still need boots on the ground to secure the area.

Haven't checked, but expect abortion clinics kill off more young men then our wars.

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abradley wrote:
Kameolontti wrote:
On the other hand urban combat has many interesting features.

Use of robots, use of thermobaric weapons, thermal weapons etc.

Clear a building with robots and then just collect the scrap and fix the robots. The cost is purely financial, no longer sapping an entire civilization of young men.
Still need boots on the ground to secure the area.

Haven't checked, but expect abortion clinics kill off more young men then our wars.


Well, it's not the abortion clinics' fault that you guys built a big strong country and attracted a bunch of scientists and incentivized them to develop breathtaking machines and inventions, some of them military.

And now you're using all that might to kick down sand castles. So no shit you're not suffering any real casualties - the enemy is already withdrawing by the time the lead guy shouts "contact". The only exception are the Religious Army who think that dying while fighting your guys lets them ravage virgins, well - it's a win win ain't it?

You know what also kills more young men than your wars? Eating habits. Drugs. Traffic. Alcohol. Slipping to soap in the shower. Any and each of these kill more than your wars.


But Russians take big credit for killing millions of Ukrainians and other Soviet citizens in the war by taking enemy strong points by drowning the Nazis in blood.

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