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 Post subject: Re: For Andy: A Brief History of Humankind
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:05 am 
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Kameolontti wrote:
The North will rise again! ;D

Nothing new.



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 Post subject: Re: For Andy: A Brief History of Humankind
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I think you are missing something. ;)

Just watch the Brief History so we can actually discuss.

So it goes.

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 Post subject: Re: For Andy: A Brief History of Humankind
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The North remembers! ...unfortunately :oops:

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Brilliant:
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Saturday, November 04, 2017
http://peterseanesq.blogspot.com/2017/1 ... html#links

The Strange Death of Europe.



Rabbi Sacks makes an interesting connection between a pair of secular books:


I am currently listening to Douglas Murray's "The Strange Death of Europe." Murray's repetition of succinct and clear examples of the insanity and corruption of Western elites should provoke a feeling of anger and outrage in any reasonable reader.

Also, total confusion. What is going on here with this, and with many similar examples:

//Several years before the latest surge in the migration crisis a left-wing Norwegian politician called Karsten Nordal Hauken (a self-described ‘feminist’, ‘anti-racist’ and heterosexual) was brutally raped in his own home by a male Somali refugee. His attacker was subsequently caught and convicted with the help of DNA evidence. After serving his sentence of four and a half years the attacker was scheduled for deportation back to his native Somalia. In a subsequent piece for the Norwegian media Hauken described the guilt that he felt for this. Indeed, he said that his first instincts were that he felt ‘responsible’ for his rapist’s return to Somalia. ‘I had a strong feeling of guilt and responsibility,’ he wrote. ‘I was the reason that he would not be in Norway anymore, but rather sent to a dark uncertain future in Somalia.’23 It is one thing to try to forgive your enemies. But it is another thing entirely to be brutally raped and then worry about the future living arrangements of your rapist. Perhaps masochism is a thing that always afflicts a certain number of people at any one time. Perhaps the masochists, like the poor, will always be with us. But a society that rewards those with such tendencies, and indeed tells people with such tendencies that their tendencies are not just natural but a demonstration of virtue, is a society likely to produce a higher concentration of masochists than most.


Murray, Douglas. The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam (Kindle Locations 3160-3172). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.
I repeat "Brilliant."

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abradley wrote:
I repeat "Brilliant."


I agree.

Every civilization has it's heroes and bad guys.

In West patriots and hard working people are the bad guys. People who complain and try to assert themselves as victims are seen as the good guys.

The people who fight against families, family values, interests of the country, against anything that is sane - just because "it's a norm and all norms must be torn down" - are the good guys.


When nihilistic suicide cult and self guilt over merely existing prevail, you arrive at modern Western civilization.

Us getting murdered is something we must integrate to, learn to live with - "there's no going back to us not being butchered on our streets". Meanwhile, anyone who resents this "new norm" is akin to devil worshiping heretic.

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Essentially, when you want a long lasting civilization, I was just saying to Anthropoid how you can't have it built so that it radically changes and flips every 30-100 years.

In other words, we once more see another civilization having arrived at this awkward position where it's intellectuals have no goals, no ambitions. Without them they simply revert to base instincts since there is no reason to quell them for any higher purpose.

And the results are obvious - complete decline in birthrates, pursuit of purely hedonistic goals, increasingly rampant corruption - because, why would you avoid cheating the system with your friends and family when you don't have to? There is zero reason and the reward is more of what they value, more hedonism, protecting their family dynasty against strangers.

When confronted with another civilization, the leaders of such a civilization have almost zero reason to want to risk anything to defend their own. In fact they can be bought and are eager to be bought, bribed and corrupted. What happens to these strangers they have power over is irrelevant for life has no meaning other than to look after your own family, your one child while trying to pursue hedonism.

When confronted with existential questions instead of strong and determined responses we get egghead responses. "Well, everything is relative, we don't really care". "Everyone is right to some degree and everyone is wrong."


What a civilization really needs to survive is ambition. Determination. Strength.

Purpose.

These things will lead to corruption being seen as a force that diminishes the ability to fulfill the purpose of the civilization.

With a purpose and strength, when confronted with existential questions, a vital and energetic civilization has a clear answer that comes without hesitation:
"Regardless of any other consequences, our civilization must survive. Everything else is secondary to continued survival of us and our way of life. Nothing can come in the way of us and our purpose"

For current Western Civilization, it's enemies and their concerns have become more important than it's own continued survival. It's leaders are looking to be bought off while selling their civilization to be assimilated by other more determined civilizations.

Only the people in West do not all accept assimilation to Islamic Civilization, some of them oppose it strongly even when they are silenced, which creates a conflict between their leadership and media versus the people who want to preserve their own civilization. But the leaders and media are in alliance with Islam and they are constantly importing more allies.

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 Post subject: Re: For Andy: A Brief History of Humankind
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nero wrote:
I think you are missing something. ;)

Just watch the Brief History so we can actually discuss.

So it goes.


No, YOU watch so WE can discuss.

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Quote:
The Crisis of Myth
By Richard Fernandez October 24, 2017
https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/th ... s-of-myth/

Jordan Peterson, author of Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, argues people through centuries developed stories to deal with complexity in order to make action in the big, mysterious and dangerous world tractable. These stories were of three general types . Some simplified the known world and explained the individual's place in a complex society; others set out the relationship with the unknown, enabling us to face it without undue fear; and some provided a link between the known and the unknown.

Thus equipped man met challenge after challenge. Stories, myth and meaning served not to provide final truth but enough truth to enable mankind to write his next chapter. The species staggered through history like a kind of Scheherazade, making up stories that were hopefully, each a little bit truer than the last. Peterson writes:
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Counter-intuitively 21st man may be as helpless before these giant technological storms as his pre-industrial ancestors were before gales in the age of sail. He may be more helpless if Jordan Peterson is to be believed, for unlike the seamen of former days the sailors on today's seas have no "stories" -- just cell phones full of fake news -- to bear them up.
Nothing new, just another warning.

Many say we're in trouble, nobody sez what to do ... so I'll offer an idea ... persecute religions.

China is having a go at Fulan Gong and Christians, both are growing. .

Eastern Europe anti religion, when the wall came down near everybody was religious, a few years later secularism is on the rise. Religion doesn't flourish in peaceful climes it, needs persecutions.

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 Post subject: Re: For Andy: A Brief History of Humankind
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Hostile and rival religions have always been persecuted.

Even today competing philosophies and ideas are being persecuted in EU. While preaching tolerance, the 'suvakki' movement has clear limits to what it tolerates - it will not tolerate patriotism, nationalism or democracy. It will tolerate Islam above all else while not tolerating the things Islam stands for and is completely ruthless towards critics of Islam. It only has lacked violent means so far since violence against dissidents didn't originally fit well with the idea of tolerance. Though tolerance has long been forgotten in all but name, the public opinion is being shifted towards greater acceptance to violence against the opposing and competing philosophies in order to protect Islamization.

While we do not require a specific religion or believe in monotheist god, in the absence of a life philosophy we create a religious vacuum which is now being filled by Islam.

In it's stead we should opt for a secular philosophy that can defend itself and not tolerate rivals and invading religions such as Islam - a philosophy that does not call for integration into Islam in the sake of "human rights". This "human rights social justice" philosophy/religion has done nothing but essentially declare that Western Civilization is not allowed to control it's own borders, not allowed to enforce it's own laws and cannot be allowed to keep people out and punish them for breaking laws. It simply calls for letting people in, inviting them in, giving them free upkeep while ignoring how swelling population of different religion eventually gains control of the entire civilization through democratic process.

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