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#751 Post by nero » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:47 am

More Mark Fenton vignettes.



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#752 Post by nero » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:40 am

The Jag killer incident.

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#753 Post by chijohnaok » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:07 pm

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#754 Post by chijohnaok » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:23 am

Something from the past (and sort of still present as HMS Victory is still with us):

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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#755 Post by Anthropoid » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:46 am

chijohnaok wrote:
*sigh* I dislike that guy more with every video I watch.

Only SECONDS in: "I'm going to talk about the 'effectiveness' or perhaps 'ineffectiveness' of bombardment in modern warfare . . ."

Only response that anyone with even a smidgen of training in military science can make: The 'effectiveness' of any given offensive measure is always relative to the various costs and disadvantages it imposes compared to other alternatives (bombarding an enemy position may have only imposed x casualties at z cost within y timeframe, but is there any other option which can impose x at <=z cost and <=y timeframe?). Moreover, the effectiveness maybe highly context dependent, with salient contextual factors including an almost infinite variety (scale, range, accuracy, target-acquisition, rate of fire, resilience to counter-fire, resilience to detection counter-measures, etc., etc., etc.).

So, the IDEA that he could adequately cover the topic in ONE video is absurd. In fact, the idea that he could sum up the 'effectiveness' of such a broad band of military offensive techniques as 'bombardment' at all is absurd!

This are my reactions within less than one minute in. But I'll go ahead an watch it, so I can eviscerate it further if necessary :P

ADDIT: so he has spent the first two minutes describing the day of the Typhoon and is clearly building up the straw man argument that because this particular operation had an effectiveness which was exaggerated, then bombardment is "ineffective." Gross overgeneralization and failure to acknowledge the fact that such things are always context dependent and relative.

ADDIT2: yeah, watched it on 2x speed up through about 5 minutes . . . he's slowly edging toward making a sound argument, but I'm not gonna subject myself to his tedium in order to see if he gets it or not. I'm sure you'll account for that right Chi?

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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#756 Post by nero » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:41 pm

Anthropoid wrote:
chijohnaok wrote:
*sigh* I dislike that guy more with every video I watch.

Only SECONDS in: "I'm going to talk about the 'effectiveness' or perhaps 'ineffectiveness' of bombardment in modern warfare . . ."

Only response that anyone with even a smidgen of training in military science can make: The 'effectiveness' of any given offensive measure is always relative to the various costs and disadvantages it imposes compared to other alternatives (bombarding an enemy position may have only imposed x casualties at z cost within y timeframe, but is there any other option which can impose x at <=z cost and <=y timeframe?). Moreover, the effectiveness maybe highly context dependent, with salient contextual factors including an almost infinite variety (scale, range, accuracy, target-acquisition, rate of fire, resilience to counter-fire, resilience to detection counter-measures, etc., etc., etc.).

So, the IDEA that he could adequately cover the topic in ONE video is absurd. In fact, the idea that he could sum up the 'effectiveness' of such a broad band of military offensive techniques as 'bombardment' at all is absurd!

This are my reactions within less than one minute in. But I'll go ahead an watch it, so I can eviscerate it further if necessary :P

ADDIT: so he has spent the first two minutes describing the day of the Typhoon and is clearly building up the straw man argument that because this particular operation had an effectiveness which was exaggerated, then bombardment is "ineffective." Gross overgeneralization and failure to acknowledge the fact that such things are always context dependent and relative.

ADDIT2: yeah, watched it on 2x speed up through about 5 minutes . . . he's slowly edging toward making a sound argument, but I'm not gonna subject myself to his tedium in order to see if he gets it or not. I'm sure you'll account for that right Chi?
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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#757 Post by chijohnaok » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:11 pm

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#758 Post by wulfir » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:01 pm

"We want ground troops from Germany to partially replace our soldiers," Jeffrey said in an interview with the German Deutsche Presse-Agentur news agency and the weekly Welt am Sonntag newspaper, before adding that he expected an answer from the German government this month.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-calls-for-ger ... 49501500

Not sure Germany should be doing this, don't they have other priorities? :P

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#759 Post by nero » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:51 am

The BOAC Stockholm route 1942-1944.

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#760 Post by chijohnaok » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:48 am

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