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Having the Krauts wipe out the Russians in WW2 would have been a disaster for all of humanity. Glad it didn't happen. Everything that happened to 6th army and later Germany was deserved.

Modern Russia is an ongoing tragedy of stupid, corrupt leadership continuing to abuse its citizenry economically and socially. Regrettably, the rest of the world seems to be heading in the same direction. Globalism is destroying people worldwide. One can only hope that the feared-by-pundits populist/nationalist movements will grow even stronger.

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Having the Krauts wipe out the Russians in WW2 would have been a disaster for all of humanity. Glad it didn't happen. Everything that happened to 6th army and later Germany was deserved.

Modern Russia is an ongoing tragedy of stupid, corrupt leadership continuing to abuse its citizenry economically and socially. Regrettably, the rest of the world seems to be heading in the same direction. Globalism is destroying people worldwide. One can only hope that the feared-by-pundits populist/nationalist movements will grow even stronger.


Well said. Rep Nazi blocked :)

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A little something from the American Civil War:




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Steve Knott, Army War College, discusses how and why Confederate Maj. Gen. J.E.B. Stuart ended up in Carlisle while the rest of the Confederates were converging on Gettysburg.


(I just started watching it so have no comments on the content yet)

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Watched it, good stuff.

Would Rep you but your maxed out. :cry:

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I watched the video too. But Stuart's poor performance remains mostly unexplained. :roll:

Just unlike the lecturer's sympathies. :lol:

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I watched the video too. But Stuart's poor performance remains mostly unexplained. :roll:

Just unlike the lecturer's sympathies. :lol:
'Stuart's poor performance is unexplained', are you sure you watched the video?

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I watched the video too. But Stuart's poor performance remains mostly unexplained. :roll:

Just unlike the lecturer's sympathies. :lol:
'Stuart's poor performance is unexplained', are you sure you watched the video?

Certainly I watched the video. It covers Stuart's actions in the very end and very little. No wonder that Lee was pissed of after Gettysburg. Stuart was supposed to be the eyes of Lee's army, the role of the cavalry. But the Gettysburg campaign the union cavalry was doing better than Stuart. And the union cavalry had such luminaries as Custer and "Kilcavalry" Kilpatrick. :roll:

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'Stuart's poor performance is unexplained', are you sure you watched the video?

Certainly I watched the video. It covers Stuart's actions in the very end and very little. No wonder that Lee was pissed of after Gettysburg. Stuart was supposed to be the eyes of Lee's army, the role of the cavalry. But the Gettysburg campaign the union cavalry was doing better than Stuart. And the union cavalry had such luminaries as Custer and "Kilcavalry" Kilpatrick. :roll:


It's pretty much impossible for you to say anything intelligent and constructive isn't it?

J.E.B. Stuart had a rivalry with the two commanders of the regular cavalry brigades which did not accompany him on his ride to the Union rear. He assigned both of these men to guard the CSA rear (where they were useless to Lee as scouts); in case it didn't click with you this was a misuse of these assets which was strictly an effort to slight both men because of Stuart's rivalry with them. This left Lee with two brigades of irregulars, which he had a distinct bias against; he did not trust irregular soldiers, so he did not make effective use of these troops to maintain his theater awareness. That at least is the story told by the presenter and one which you apparently failed either to hear or to understand. The message is that: stupid personal rivalries and stupid personal bias on the part of these two "great southrons" are what (the presenter) is identifying as the key reason for the battle to have unfolded the way it did, in CSA defeat.

I think the presentation is a bit of a simplification. There were, as far as I'm aware MANY bad decisions and failures on the part of Lee and his commanders (the failure to take the hill on the opening day of the battle when an entire CSA regiment were held back by a Union cavalry brigades comes to mind), but the point of this talk was to focus on interpersonal relations and bias and how those shape command decisions and operational failures.

The presenter acknowledged his southern nostalgia, but the fact he is teaching that these two famous southern commanders fucked up bad belies any supposed "sympathy" which you seem to feel brings his credibility into question.

Imagine that: a stupid fuck cannot comprehend when the message is that being a stupid fuck leads to lost battles and lost wars . . .

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Certainly I watched the video. It covers Stuart's actions in the very end and very little. No wonder that Lee was pissed of after Gettysburg. Stuart was supposed to be the eyes of Lee's army, the role of the cavalry. But the Gettysburg campaign the union cavalry was doing better than Stuart. And the union cavalry had such luminaries as Custer and "Kilcavalry" Kilpatrick. :roll:


It's pretty much impossible for you to say anything intelligent and constructive isn't it?

J.E.B. Stuart had a rivalry with the two commanders of the regular cavalry brigades which did not accompany him on his ride to the Union rear. He assigned both of these men to guard the CSA rear (where they were useless to Lee as scouts); in case it didn't click with you this was a misuse of these assets which was strictly an effort to slight both men because of Stuart's rivalry with them. This left Lee with two brigades of irregulars, which he had a distinct bias against; he did not trust irregular soldiers, so he did not make effective use of these troops to maintain his theater awareness. That at least is the story told by the presenter and one which you apparently failed either to hear or to understand. The message is that: stupid personal rivalries and stupid personal bias on the part of these two "great southrons" are what (the presenter) is identifying as the key reason for the battle to have unfolded the way it did, in CSA defeat.

I think the presentation is a bit of a simplification. There were, as far as I'm aware MANY bad decisions and failures on the part of Lee and his commanders (the failure to take the hill on the opening day of the battle when an entire CSA regiment were held back by a Union cavalry brigades comes to mind), but the point of this talk was to focus on interpersonal relations and bias and how those shape command decisions and operational failures.

The presenter acknowledged his southern nostalgia, but the fact he is teaching that these two famous southern commanders fucked up bad belies any supposed "sympathy" which you seem to feel brings his credibility into question.

Imagine that: a stupid fuck cannot comprehend when the message is that being a stupid fuck leads to lost battles and lost wars . . .

I don't post here to please, I post mainly what I think about various topics. If something I write is something you don't agree with, that is just natural. But if you think that it is intelligent and constructive to always agree with you, I just have to laugh. :lol:

But then Lee didn't lose in Gettysburg because Stuart's performance, Lee did his own mistakes.

So it goes.

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But then Lee didn't lose in Gettysburg because Stuart's performance, Lee did his own mistakes.


Correct, Lee did lose at Gettysburg for a number of reasons.

However, reconnaissance was an important responsibility for what the cavalry did in 19th century warfare.

That Stuart, Lee’s “eyes” for where Union troops were located and moving to and from, was out of position, certainly didn’t help things.

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