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I was just wondering about that Hawk shooting down F-16c and Rafale (simulated).

Someone talked about how the friendly spirit of the engagement led to it - essentially, the F-16 should have just max thrusted the hell out of there but 'friendly' stayed in turning fight which is just silly - it should have disengaged with speed and got enough distance to use it's primary advantages.

Just trying to catch the real situation behind all of the gloss.
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For WW II examples I know of cases where 16+ WW II fighters chased a single biplane unable to shoot it down because it was flying below their stall speed while having amazing agility. The time to get your aim right and to engage was really, really short and the thing wouldn't just stand still.

They did eventually shoot it down of course but it was a lot of trouble for some time and there never was a chance for the fighter to return fire.

I also know of how slow 350km/h fighters shot down 500km/h bombers (with load) by simply climbing really high and diving onto them with good pilots.

But today is different. The only chance is that you literally hide behind a hill, mountain or a river and the enemy doesn't have access to satellite IR etc. and you manage to somehow catch him flying slow.

Highly unlikely though and the sheer power of modern fighters is stupendous, as well as their situational awareness. Especially for the likes of USAF.

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The Bloody 100th Bomb Group Documentary.



Some may have seen it before, but it is worth seeing anyhow. ;)

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And something for tankers, and tank killers. ;)

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An overview (more breadth, less depth) of how the German Panzer arm developed between WW1 and WW2

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http://www.historynet.com/forgotten-army-i.htm

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BY ROBERT M. CITINO

2/1/2010 • FIRE FOR EFFECT

They crossed the Soviet border on June 22, 1941, heading east. While the attacking spearheads made good progress, there were also difficulties from day one. Their generals weren’t exactly surprised. Campaigning in this part of Europe has never been easy. The terrain was tough, the distances involved were vast, and logistics in this relatively underdeveloped land were nightmarish. And then there was the adversary: a Red Army that, while not particularly skilled or well trained, had enough manpower and modern equipment to cause any attacker some serious trouble in the field. The campaign started out in mobile mode, but soon bogged down into positional fighting that bled both sides and exhausted the invading army even as it was battering its way forward towards its strategic objectives. In the end, the Russian campaign would consume it altogether.

Ah yes, any student of the war might say: the Wehrmacht in Russia. Such a well known story. Dramatic early victories, sudden turnabout. Ultimate defeat.

The only problem is that I am talking about the Romanians.

They have gotten short shrift in histories of World War II, even those that specialize in the Eastern Front. And yet they played a key role in this greatest of all military struggles. Without them, the Barbarossa campaign of 1941 becomes nearly impossible, and 1942’s Operation Blue becomes absolutely impossible. The Romanian Army had nearly 700,000 men under arms in 1941 and 1.25 million by the summer of 1944. Romanian troops fighting in the Soviet Union outnumbered all of Germany’s other allies combined. They also won their share of operational victories. They struck east towards Odessa in the summer of 1941 and took the city after a gruesome 73-day siege. They played a major role in the Crimean campaign, with their mobile units spearheading General Erich von Manstein’s drive on Kerch, and with their infantry assisting in the gritty fighting to reduce the fortress of Sevastopol. They fought in the Caucasus, playing a key role in the conquest of Anapa and Novorossiysk.

During the 1942 campaign, they contributed two full armies (3rd and 4th) to the Axis order of battle. The Germans themselves only employed four (the 6th, 4th Panzer, 1st Panzer, and 17th, with German 2nd Army also taking part in the opening assault on Voronezh). The role they played was crucial–not to smash through Soviet defenses, but to cover immense flanks, hundreds of miles long, along the Don river and in the wide-open Kalmuk Steppe. It was a task for which the Wehrmacht no longer had sufficient troops. Yes, the Romanian formations were vaporized in the opening moments of the Soviet counteroffensive at Stalingrad, but then again, German resistance to that assault was no thing of beauty, either.

If you want to know the Eastern Front, you need to spend more time with the Romanians.

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