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 Post subject: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)
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Is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era? Leading creation apologist and bestselling Christian author Ken Ham is joined at the Creation Museum by Emmy Award-winning science educator and CEO of the Planetary Society Bill Nye. To see Bill Nye's arguments debunked visit http://debatelive.org .

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)
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Is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era? Leading creation apologist and bestselling Christian author Ken Ham is joined at the Creation Museum by Emmy Award-winning science educator and CEO of the Planetary Society Bill Nye. To see Bill Nye's arguments debunked visit http://debatelive.org .

Oh boy, what crap.

I don't know any debunking Nye, you just don't get the facts right. OTOH I was thinking that you are a Catholic, not a young earth yahoo.

To believe in 6000 year old Sumerian myths is just stupid. :roll:

So it goes.

PS. Ham suggests to cut NASA funding because aliens go to hell. :lol:

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It's going to be fun when "scientific" creationism takes over the US and we're trying to compete with educated children in Nigeria for highest scientific literacy rate. But "scientific creationists" are people too and they have a right to see the world the way they want. There is no "right" way to see anything, correct? It's all "relative". If I see a frog in front of me and someone else thinks it will turn into a prince and marry them if they kiss it then by golly, that frog ought to turn into a prince.

BTW I was reading a bit of a book by Alan Weisman last week and came across some interesting facts about Iran during Ayatollah Khomeini's leadership. Apparently Iran was on the cutting edge of family planning for a while, able to do some amazing things in controlling their population count - without resorting to violence or force. People basically volunteered to either limit or increase the number of children based on different Fatwa's. Specialists there even pioneered a new method of vasectomy IIRC what I read. Amazing stuff for a pack of "savages". Maybe when Ken Ham learns to unleash the power of the "Ark of the covenant" it will make nuclear weapons obsolete?

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)
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@30:00 Ham introduces an astronomer who believes in biblical creation and all that young earth Yahoo things, with key interest on binary stars. But so happens that the closest binary star system of Sirius A and Sirius B is located about 8.58 light-years from Earth. And the guy thinks that creation happened 6000 years ago. Some scientists indeed. :roll:

And no debunking Nye so far. ;)

So it continues.

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)
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I can agree with Ham that "scientists" who believe young earth creation are persecuted. And a with a good reason.

Ham is a comedian at best. But there is no substance, only a book referencing much older stories written on clay tablets in cuneiform so 6000 years ago in ancient Sumeria.

Nye is quite pathetic, tries to adapt to the audience. Not so good show, should have been more bold. ;)

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I saw Nye commenting on the Grand Canyon and the "great flood", challenging Ken Ham to come up with species that "swam to the top". Sort of an amateurish refutation it seems to me.

I don't know what the latest is the creationists are talking about with respect to the fossil record (I stopped reading them - short time it was anyway - after I took a course on "scientific literacy" in college) but last I heard they were claiming that the laws of hydrodynamics dictate that somehow the fossil record is the result of different species perishing at different depths in the "great flood" due to their hydrodynamic qualities.

Interesting but it seems pretty absurd. I don't remember what the answer was from Dr. Robert Hazen who addressed the question in class but if the fossil record were laid out according to hydrodynamic qualities wouldn't ALL fish of a similar size and shape be in the same strata in the fossil record, etc, etc? I would think that would be a more sensible refutation than talking about animals trying to swim.

Nye is also a bit off track (or perhaps not so clear in what he means) with his argument about staying competitive against other nations in science. I don't know if he means "theoretical" science or "applied" science. People can still create things based on the basic scientific discoveries of others, and even without those discoveries sometimes. They can still invent MRIs and build mousetraps, etc. I mean there is a lot about engineering I don't need to know in order to build many things. For example I don't need to know that a perpetual motion machine is impossible to build (at least according to contemporary theories) in order to design a decent water mill. People have been designing various gizmos for thousands of years without any knowledge at all of any greater physical laws.

The US still has some good engineers but I suppose cosmology is going to take a hit with "Scientific" Creationism.

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@30:00 Ham introduces an astronomer who believes in biblical creation and all that young earth Yahoo things, with key interest on binary stars. But so happens that the closest binary star system of Sirius A and Sirius B is located about 8.58 light-years from Earth. And the guy thinks that creation happened 6000 years ago. Some scientists indeed. :roll:

And no debunking Nye so far. ;)

So it continues.


My apologies, Nero. I'm reluctant to rush to the defense of people who think the Earth is 6000 years old based on ancient myths created by people who had no clue about carbon dating, the speed of light and geological strata and fossils, however, I'm not following the binary star example. If Sirius A and B are 8.58 light years from earth then it takes about 8.58 years for their light to reach us. 6000 years would therefore be more than enough time for their light to reach us. Did I miss something in the presentation, admittedly I couldn't stay interested enough to watch the whole thing?

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@30:00 Ham introduces an astronomer who believes in biblical creation and all that young earth Yahoo things, with key interest on binary stars. But so happens that the closest binary star system of Sirius A and Sirius B is located about 8.58 light-years from Earth. And the guy thinks that creation happened 6000 years ago. Some scientists indeed. :roll:

And no debunking Nye so far. ;)

So it continues.


My apologies, Nero. I'm reluctant to rush to the defense of people who think the Earth is 6000 years old based on ancient myths created by people who had no clue about carbon dating, the speed of light and geological strata and fossils, however, I'm not following the binary star example. If Sirius A and B are 8.58 light years from earth then it takes about 8.58 years for their light to reach us. 6000 years would therefore be more than enough time for their light to reach us. Did I miss something in the presentation, admittedly I couldn't stay interested enough to watch the whole thing?

No reason to apologize at all. I just wondering difficulties of being an astronomer in a galaxy with a diameter of 100000 light years while believing it is 6000 years old. But of course I did not express myself clearly.

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