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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/21/s ... factories/

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POSTED AT 10:41 AM ON NOVEMBER 21, 2013 BY ED MORRISSEY


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Here’s the inevitable follow-up on the election of a Socialist to the Seattle City Council — although perhaps sooner than anyone would have thought. Boeing has tried working for years with its unions in the state of Washington, but still cannot reach agreements on labor contracts for its manufacturing facilities. The aerospace giant has looked for other regions in the US to build its planes, which has angered the unions and the Obama administration. It’s also provided an opportunity for Seattle’s newest councilmember to launch her anti-capitalist agenda, and she’s wasted no time in doing so … even before officially taking office:

Seattle City Councilmember-elect Kshama Sawant told Boeing machinists her idea of a radical option, should their jobs be moved out of state

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters in Seattle’s Westlake Park Monday night. …

On Monday night, she spoke to supporters of Boeing Machinists, six days after they rejected a contract guaranteeing jobs in Everett building the new 777X airliner for eight years, in exchange for new workers giving up their guaranteed company pensions.

Now Boeing is threatening to take those jobs to other states. “That will be nothing short of economic terrorism because it’s going to devastate the state’s economy,” she said.


So what wouldn’t be “economic terrorism”? Seizing the company’s property, of course:

Sawant is calling for machinists to literally take-possession of the Everett airplane-building factory, if Boeing moves out. She calls that “democratic ownership.”

“The only response we can have if Boeing executives do not agree to keep the plant here is for the machinists to say the machines are here, the workers are here, we will do the job, we don’t need the executives. The executives don’t do the work, the machinists do,” she said.


Well, Seattle voters elected her, so they get what they deserve, but perhaps we should point out a couple of inconvenient realities for Sawant. The machinists don’t own the plants, but that’s only just the beginning. Unless the machinists own the designs, they can’t build the planes unless licensed by those who do. And where will they get the raw materials with which to build the planes? Who pays for the energy necessary to operate the machines?

That’s not to say that the machinists can’t build their own planes, of course. They could open up their own business, design their own planes, and build planes themselves, but they’ll need to find an awful lot of capital with which to do it. That means they’d still have to deal with executive management imposed by the VC sources and labor cost controls, which would certainly include getting rid of any notion of defined-benefit pension systems. Then they’d need to compete on price in order to sell the planes, and find people willing to buy them at all when Boeing is still producing proven models in South Carolina.

That is “democratic ownership.” What Sawant demands is outright theft, and we’ve seen the results of it from China to Russia to Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

Besides, Sawant doesn’t want machinists to build planes anyway:

“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,” she told KIRO 7.

War machines? Boeing wants to build another series of commercial airliners. When KIRO informed Sawant of that, she replied that she was was “referring to drones when speaking of war machines.”

Hey, Seattle … you elected her. Have fun. The rest of certainly will … at your expense.


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Possibly so. But tell me if you were a 20 something single guy you wouldn't nail her if she gave you the green light. ;)

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Possibly so. But tell me if you were a 20 something single guy you wouldn't nail her if she gave you the green light. ;)


In looking at the available photo, I would say "no".

And then, even if I were to consider doing so, there would be the inevitable droning and nagging afterwards about socialism, likely feminism, hairy armpits, and more than likely, the advantages of veganism.

If I'm going to have to go through that much bullshit, then she needs to be smoking hot, and based on a superficial glance at that picture; she's not all that.

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Do a google image search of her name:

Kshama Sawant

Not smoking hot.

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Suicidal woman sues police for saving her life.
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Frivolous lawsuits in New York City

Posted: Nov 25, 2013 7:41 PM EST
Updated: Nov 25, 2013 10:29 PM EST
By JOHN HUDDY, @JohnHuddyfox5



NEW YORK (MYFOXNY) -
New York City has often been referred to as 'sue city' because of frivolous lawsuits.

In one example, a 220 pound teacher sued the school district saying he was beaten up by a first grader.

Another woman sued the city after trying to commit suicide.

Tom Stebbins is the Executive Director of the Lawsuit Reform Alliance of New York.

"People read about these frivolous lawsuits, you can laugh at them, but you need to know you're paying for them," Stebbins says.

Stebbins' coalition is pushing to reform state laws to cut down on lawsuits. Stebbins says New York City is a big target for frivolous suits.

"We have so many laws on the Books in New York State that really empower frivolous lawsuit," Stebbins says.

Take the case of Queens resident Yasmin Rahman.

"You have a woman that's suing NYPD for essentially saving her from her own attempted suicide," Stebbins says.

Rahman tried to commit suicide in 2001 by jumping in front of a subway train. NYPD officers saved her life. She was 15. Now, 27, she's suing the city for $7 million, claiming the city and the NYPD posted pictures, police reports and hospital records of her failed suicide attempt on a database open to the public. She claims that has prevented her from obtaining a job.

"It still haunts me," Rahman says. "It's too my name and my background reports. When HR looks me up to see if im a good candidate for the position, they use that as a means to say I am not a good fit."

The problem with her case might be that the NYPD says it doesn't keep a medical record database and neither Rahman nor her attorney could provide Fox 5 news with information on how to find the alleged records online.

But Rahman's lawyer, Andrew Schatkin did comment about the $7 million price tag they're suing for.

"This lady has been traumatized by her inability to get employment on this basis," Schatkin says. "I put a large figure in because if I put a small figure in I would only get that small amount. It's not that I'm making an outsized or frankly a lie about it for a better word. Im simply enabling a figure that would get her as much compensation as possible."

The $7 million lawsuit claims Rahmin was prevented from 'obtaining any type of job'. But Fox 5's investigation found that she actually did have a job from 2010 to 2012, the same time period Rahmin's lawsuit claims she couldn't find a job.

Back to the case involving the 220 pound former college football player who is now a teacher suing the city saying he was beat up by his 50 pound first grade student.

PS 330 teacher John Webster says Rodrigo Carpio fractured his ankle, and humiliated him.

Neither Webster, nor the little boy's family would comment to Fox 5 about the case, but Webster did sit down with Fox News Network when he filed his lawsuit last year.

"It's very humiliating. It's very defaming but at the same time you know it's true," Webster says. "But it happened I was not able to pretty much defend myself and if I did I would probably lost both my teaching certification and probably in jail."

In his complaint, Webster claims the school was aware of the "violent propensities of the student involved in the attack." Webster has been on leave from the school without pay since September 2012.

"Does this man have a basis? How is the school responsible for him getting kung fu by a first grader? Why is that the schools responsibility and why are we on the hook as taxpayers to pay for it?" Stebbins asks.

Here's another wild case. Elia Dias, a 400 pound felon sued the city Department of Correction for $1 million saying he suffered 'mental anguish' because the city didn't have prison clothes big enough for him.

"He's going to say his civil rights were violated because they have don't have seven XL but, meanwhile, they took his street clothes and washed them for him every day (BUT) Can you imagine you get someone to wash your clothes everyday and you sue them?" Stebbins asks.

Diaz didn't respond to calls for comment. The case was dropped, but it still clogged up the courts and wasted taxpayer money.

How many of these lawsuits actually proceed in court compared to those that get tossed?

According to a city comptroller audit, the city paid out nearly $750 million in lawsuits last year. Close to half a billion dollars paid out in personal injury and property settlements and judgments.

So, can anything be done to cut back on these lawsuits? City officials have begun fighting, rather than settling many lawsuits and NYC Corporation Counsel, Michael A. Cardozo wrote Fox 5 News that the city must defend itself against legal claims, but that "some plaintiffs may see New York as a 'deep pocket' and try to take advantage of the legal system. But he says, "Make no mistake: if a case is frivolous, the City will protect public dollars by contesting it aggressively."




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Do a google image search of her name:

Kshama Sawant

Not smoking hot.


Just did. Very pretty lady.

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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/21/seattles-newest-councilmember-urges-boeing-workers-to-seize-factories/

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Seattle’s newest councilmember urges Boeing workers to seize factories

POSTED AT 10:41 AM ON NOVEMBER 21, 2013 BY ED MORRISSEY


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Here’s the inevitable follow-up on the election of a Socialist to the Seattle City Council — although perhaps sooner than anyone would have thought. Boeing has tried working for years with its unions in the state of Washington, but still cannot reach agreements on labor contracts for its manufacturing facilities. The aerospace giant has looked for other regions in the US to build its planes, which has angered the unions and the Obama administration. It’s also provided an opportunity for Seattle’s newest councilmember to launch her anti-capitalist agenda, and she’s wasted no time in doing so … even before officially taking office:

Seattle City Councilmember-elect Kshama Sawant told Boeing machinists her idea of a radical option, should their jobs be moved out of state

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters in Seattle’s Westlake Park Monday night. …

On Monday night, she spoke to supporters of Boeing Machinists, six days after they rejected a contract guaranteeing jobs in Everett building the new 777X airliner for eight years, in exchange for new workers giving up their guaranteed company pensions.

Now Boeing is threatening to take those jobs to other states. “That will be nothing short of economic terrorism because it’s going to devastate the state’s economy,” she said.


So what wouldn’t be “economic terrorism”? Seizing the company’s property, of course:

Sawant is calling for machinists to literally take-possession of the Everett airplane-building factory, if Boeing moves out. She calls that “democratic ownership.”

“The only response we can have if Boeing executives do not agree to keep the plant here is for the machinists to say the machines are here, the workers are here, we will do the job, we don’t need the executives. The executives don’t do the work, the machinists do,” she said.


Well, Seattle voters elected her, so they get what they deserve, but perhaps we should point out a couple of inconvenient realities for Sawant. The machinists don’t own the plants, but that’s only just the beginning. Unless the machinists own the designs, they can’t build the planes unless licensed by those who do. And where will they get the raw materials with which to build the planes? Who pays for the energy necessary to operate the machines?

That’s not to say that the machinists can’t build their own planes, of course. They could open up their own business, design their own planes, and build planes themselves, but they’ll need to find an awful lot of capital with which to do it. That means they’d still have to deal with executive management imposed by the VC sources and labor cost controls, which would certainly include getting rid of any notion of defined-benefit pension systems. Then they’d need to compete on price in order to sell the planes, and find people willing to buy them at all when Boeing is still producing proven models in South Carolina.

That is “democratic ownership.” What Sawant demands is outright theft, and we’ve seen the results of it from China to Russia to Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

Besides, Sawant doesn’t want machinists to build planes anyway:

“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,” she told KIRO 7.

War machines? Boeing wants to build another series of commercial airliners. When KIRO informed Sawant of that, she replied that she was was “referring to drones when speaking of war machines.”

Hey, Seattle … you elected her. Have fun. The rest of certainly will … at your expense.



Why would anyone side with a bunch of millionaire executives who want to destroy the local economy by exporting middle class jobs to another state if they don't get their way? I guess it's just beyond my meager comprehension. If the workers did seize the factory I'm afraid I wouldn't be shedding any tears for Boeing.

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Why would anyone side with a bunch of millionaire executives who want to destroy the local economy by exporting middle class jobs to another state if they don't get their way? I guess it's just beyond my meager comprehension. If the workers did seize the factory I'm afraid I wouldn't be shedding any tears for Boeing.



Gary,

The Boeing Seattle South Carolina story goes back a bit.

Boeing thought the union in Seattle was being inflexible. Boeing wanted to expand its production, but not necessarily under the conditions that the Seattle local was demanding. So Boeing decided they were going to still go ahead and expand! only they looked elsewhere and found an opportunity to do so in South Carolina (a state where unions are not as strong). Boeing's plan were not to move or eliminate one single Washington/Seattle job. They were going to leave the existing productions lines and all their jobs in Washington, but they were planning to build their new factory in SC and create new jobs there. That is what got the union in Seattle/Washington in a snit, not because any union members in WA were going to lose their jobs, but because the new ones were not going to be in Washington.

Boeing was not going to export one single Boeing middle class job to South Carolina.

Also, as I think was mentioned in the above article, if the Seattle Boeing workers were going to "seize the factory" what would that get them?

They could not continue building Boeing planes on that line, as they would not hold the copyrights to the plans. So their jobs would be impacted because they would not have a product to build----no pay.

They could develop their own new planes, but that would take a long time to do so, and would cost millions to do so. Millions that they do not have. No products to build, no jobs.

Even if they did have a new product (maybe work a deal with another airplane developer), they still need to acquire the raw materials, they need to pay the power bills to run the factory production line. It takes lots of money to run a factory like that. Does the union have the money to do that? So again, no jobs, no pay for the workers.

Seizing the factory, would gain nothing for those workers, unless they all seized everything up and down the production chain: the raw materials, the power plants, etc. A) that is not going to happen. B) let's check in with the Soviet Union to see how that's working there.

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So in other words Boeing wanted to avoid union hassles in their expansion so they were going to expand into a state with less union activity. Gee I wonder where that's going to eventually end up? I don't know why the union would see that as a threat, do you?

As far as the practicality of seizing the factories, you are probably right. There isn't a whole lot defenseless workers can do to get their way in anything. So don't worry too much about it chijohnaok. I'm sure the workers will lose in the end. Will that make you happy?

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