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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#841 Post by NATO » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:15 pm

dayum, Anthro....u did a lot of internet research abt 1800s german history or knew how to find the salient stuff fast? Or knew it already?

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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#842 Post by chijohnaok » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:19 pm

I am not going to discuss the potential outcomes of the Revolutions of 1848, because I do not know enough about their history.

I do however wish to toss in the following point/comment:
After the Revolutions of 1848 failed, many of those participants migrated to the United States.
And I do believe that they had an impact on the US.
For starters, approximately 200,000 German migrants fought on the Union side during the American Civil War; many of them were Forty-Eighters.
A number of Union military military generals were also Forty-Eighters ( Louis Blenker; Alexander Schimmelpfennig; Carl Schurz; Franz Sigel; Max Weber; August Willich; Peter Joseph Osterhaus; Frederick C. Salomon; Adolph von Steinwehr; Joseph Weydemeyer).

There were all sorts of Forty-Eighters (soldiers, politiicians, writers, businessmen, doctors, journalists/authors, etc who came to the US.

Here is a link to a Wikipedia entry which briefly covers their contributions and provides a list of them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eig ... ted_States

Carl Schurz is the one that I am most familiar with. He served as a Union general during the war. He was one of the early members of the Republican Party. He served as a US Senator and also as the Secretary of the Interior. He was an author and a newspaper publisher. There is a high school in the City of Chicago that is named after him.

Had the Revolutions of 1848 NOT failed, many of these Forty-Eighters would never have come to the United States...their contributions to the US would never have occurred.
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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#843 Post by Anthropoid » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:17 pm

NATO wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:15 pm
dayum, Anthro....u did a lot of internet research abt 1800s german history or knew how to find the salient stuff fast? Or knew it already?
It has been of interest to me for years. I had an undergraduate university course "Modern Intellectual History of Europe." Basically: Marx, Darwin and Freud were the key themes and the prof covered the social revolutions in early 19th century Europe in some detail at the beginning of the course. Fast Forward a few years to Paradoxes Victoria, Victoria II and Victoria Revolutions games. I ALWAYS played Prussia :P Know they enemy!

I've always thought that: in a different timeline, Germany could have been such a positive force in world history. Clearly there is much of great merit in Germanic cultures. My own paternal grand parents were second generation Germans immigrants and I can see the elements of the worldview they lived as norms all across the American Midwest.
chijohnaok wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:19 pm
I am not going to discuss the potential outcomes of the Revolutions of 1848, because I do not know enough about their history.

I do however wish to toss in the following point/comment:
After the Revolutions of 1848 failed, many of those participants migrated to the United States.
And I do believe that they had an impact on the US.
For starters, approximately 200,000 German migrants fought on the Union side during the American Civil War; many of them were Forty-Eighters.
A number of Union military military generals were also Forty-Eighters ( Louis Blenker; Alexander Schimmelpfennig; Carl Schurz; Franz Sigel; Max Weber; August Willich; Peter Joseph Osterhaus; Frederick C. Salomon; Adolph von Steinwehr; Joseph Weydemeyer).

There were all sorts of Forty-Eighters (soldiers, politiicians, writers, businessmen, doctors, journalists/authors, etc who came to the US.

Here is a link to a Wikipedia entry which briefly covers their contributions and provides a list of them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eig ... ted_States

Carl Schurz is the one that I am most familiar with. He served as a Union general during the war. He was one of the early members of the Republican Party. He served as a US Senator and also as the Secretary of the Interior. He was an author and a newspaper publisher. There is a high school in the City of Chicago that is named after him.

Had the Revolutions of 1848 NOT failed, many of these Forty-Eighters would never have come to the United States...their contributions to the US would never have occurred.
Bier! :lol:

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Re: Military stuff ... past and present.

#844 Post by Anthropoid » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:21 pm

Man, they are looking at some crazy shit for new weapons. This video is a couple years old. What is the update status on these?

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