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Re: European defence collaborations

#11 Post by nero » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:16 pm

chijohnaok wrote:I will not even pretend to understand the clicks and clacks that make up the Finnish language.
There are strong consonants in Finnish language; like in perkele.

But Finnish is also a vocal rich language: alavilla mailla hallanvaara, hääyoaie.

Then there is a category of word transformations, snooperism; the sananmuunnos.

sananmuunnos -> munansaannos. ;)
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Re: European defence collaborations

#12 Post by nero » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:27 am

I am even more convinced that Finland will choose Saab JAS 39 Gripen.



To sacrifice other attributes because one is not a good idea, especially when the assumed benefit is transient. Yes, this means that I think that new development will make stealth obsolete any time soon. And this will make F-35 an obsolete flying duck with poor flying capabilities and payload. With high price tag to buy and fly.

The Gripen offers lower price tag, lower flying cost and offers much better opportunities for co-operation with the R&D. This will deepen even more the close ties of the Finnish and Swedish military industry. This is a real win-win deal.

"Finland is Sweden's landmine" -- John Bolton.
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Re: European defence collaborations

#13 Post by nero » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:52 am

Option to the brain dead NATO.

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Re: European defence collaborations

#14 Post by wulfir » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:00 pm

nero wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:52 am
Option to the brain dead NATO.
It is a step in the right direction. More nukes though - either as part of a robust EU defence dimension, or in a Nordic context. Ditch that non-nuke treaty thingy, a Russian is a Russian, even when fried in butter. IMO.

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Re: European defence collaborations

#15 Post by wulfir » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:13 pm

Norway seems to be looking for a plan B.

https://www.hbl.fi/artikel/finland-och- ... -av-norge/

I listened to Sverre Diesen's presentation at the Folk och Försvar the other day.
There is no question that Norway hinged their security on NATO fully after WWII - up until pretty much now.

This is a reaction to the worsening development in the world, in Russia and the doubt Trump has sown regarding NATO. ;)

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Re: European defence collaborations

#16 Post by chijohnaok » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:00 pm

wulfir wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:13 pm
Norway seems to be looking for a plan B.

https://www.hbl.fi/artikel/finland-och- ... -av-norge/

I listened to Sverre Diesen's presentation at the Folk och Försvar the other day.
There is no question that Norway hinged their security on NATO fully after WWII - up until pretty much now.

This is a reaction to the worsening development in the world, in Russia and the doubt Trump has sown regarding NATO. ;)


Norway‘s Plan A should have included meeting the 2% of GDP goal that NATO members agreed to.
As of 2019 Norway‘s spending was at 1.7%.
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014 ... 069-EN.pdf

Would Norway‘s Plan B be based on spending more than they are now?
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Re: European defence collaborations

#17 Post by wulfir » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:31 pm

chijohnaok wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Would Norway‘s Plan B be based on spending more than they are now?
Don't know. Not sure they feel the urgency...

The Norwegians opted out of the American Defender 2020 to save some bucks, the Americans responded with dropping out of Cold Response 2020...

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Re: European defence collaborations

#18 Post by chijohnaok » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:56 pm

wulfir wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:31 pm
chijohnaok wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Would Norway‘s Plan B be based on spending more than they are now?
Don't know. Not sure they feel the urgency...

The Norwegians opted out of the American Defender 2020 to save some bucks, the Americans responded with dropping out of Cold Response 2020...

It’s my understanding that the Defender 2020 exercises occur in continental Europe.
If the Norwegian government doesn’t feel the necessity to participate in an exercise IN EUROPE, designed to increase readiness to DEFEND EUROPE, then should the US be faulted for dropping out of the “Cold Response 2020” exercises in Norway?

If Norway see no need to participate in an exercise to defend its fellow NATO members, should the US be held to a different standard?
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Re: European defence collaborations

#19 Post by wulfir » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:54 pm

chijohnaok wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:56 pm
If the Norwegian government doesn’t feel the necessity to participate in an exercise IN EUROPE...
Priorities I guess. The Norwegian defence says they will focus on the Norwegian Cold Response 2020 and the Swedish Aurora 2020...

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Re: European defence collaborations

#20 Post by chijohnaok » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:32 pm

wulfir wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:54 pm
chijohnaok wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:56 pm
If the Norwegian government doesn’t feel the necessity to participate in an exercise IN EUROPE...
Priorities I guess. The Norwegian defence says they will focus on the Norwegian Cold Response 2020 and the Swedish Aurora 2020...


Every country has to set priorities.
While the United States military budget may seem huge compared to that of Norway, it is not unlimited.
The US also has to set priorities.
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