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 Post subject: The British Reaction to the Invasion of Finland
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:33 pm 
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In November 1939 Russia attacked Finland, Britain and France were already at war with Germany and were not keen on declaring war on Russia in the defence of Finland. More importantly a total collapse of Finland might mean a Russian threaten Sweden and Norway?

Also throw into the mix that Swedish iron was vital to the German war effort it meant the Allies needed to do something, but what?


http://ww2podcast.com/ww2-podcast/the-winter-war-the-british-reaction-to-the-invasion-of-finland/

Podcast where two Brits (or maybe one of them is Irish) discuss the Allied response to the Soviet invasion of Finland. :mrgreen:

Interesting on the somewhat wild plans cooked up by the British - illustrates the inefficient nature of improvising alliances on the go, might be something for you jwilk. :P

The podcast episode totally lacks the Soviet apologism reasoing for the outbreak of the Winter War that tends to be championed by mdiehl. :lol:

Furthermore, it puts a HEAVY focus on the importance of iron ore for both the Brits and the Germans when it comes to operations in Scandinavia, and various plans relating to Scandinavia. Might interest you, Ripper.


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 Post subject: Re: The British Reaction to the Invasion of Finland
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:42 am 
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Listened, interesting.

Just shows how events overtake plans, rather like when the Japs invaded the Philippines, we had already put into effect a plan to move troops and supplies further back towards Bataan, so when the invasion hit nothing was where it was supposed to be. Troops were soon short on rations, ect. (IIRC)

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 Post subject: Re: The British Reaction to the Invasion of Finland
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In November 1939 Russia attacked Finland, Britain and France were already at war with Germany and were not keen on declaring war on Russia in the defence of Finland. More importantly a total collapse of Finland might mean a Russian threaten Sweden and Norway?

Also throw into the mix that Swedish iron was vital to the German war effort it meant the Allies needed to do something, but what?


http://ww2podcast.com/ww2-podcast/the-winter-war-the-british-reaction-to-the-invasion-of-finland/

Podcast where two Brits (or maybe one of them is Irish) discuss the Allied response to the Soviet invasion of Finland. :mrgreen:

Interesting on the somewhat wild plans cooked up by the British - illustrates the inefficient nature of improvising alliances on the go, might be something for you jwilk. :P

The podcast episode totally lacks the Soviet apologism reasoing for the outbreak of the Winter War that tends to be championed by mdiehl. :lol:

Furthermore, it puts a HEAVY focus on the importance of iron ore for both the Brits and the Germans when it comes to operations in Scandinavia, and various plans relating to Scandinavia. Might interest you, Ripper.

There was nothing but sell weapons and ammo the the Brits and French could do, and did. And declare war, that Stalin didn't want.

But the western powers had no obligation to defend neutral Finland, no treaties, no nothing. Just unlike the case with Poland.

I'd like the hear similar discussion after the USSR invaded Poland. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: The British Reaction to the Invasion of Finland
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There was nothing but sell weapons and ammo the the Brits and French could do, and did. And declare war, that Stalin didn't want.


Some of the plans they hatched were greatly unrealistic, sure but notice the podcast presents other ideas relating to the allied economic blockade idea of Germany where they wanted to strike at German weak points like iron ore and oil - which came into play during the Winter War.

A few years ago on this forum a certian Danish clown tried to downplay the importance of iron ore trade for the events in WWII Scandinavia - and this "Dansih" viewpoint is very hard to find support for, anywhere. :P

Of course there was very little the British/French could do. It is an excellent illustration of how inefficient the option of establishing an alliances in wartime is, the "gang up on the bad guy and spank him when/if needed" approach.


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I'd like the hear similar discussion after the USSR invaded Poland.


The United States had no treaty obligations to either Finland or Poland.

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I'd like the hear similar discussion after the USSR invaded Poland.


The United States had no treaty obligations to either Finland or Poland.

The thread is not about you. ;)

PS. Thanks for the Brewsters though, 1$ a piece, a good deal for both parties. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The British Reaction to the Invasion of Finland
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nero wrote:

The thread is not about you. ;)

PS. Thanks for the Brewsters though, 1$ a piece, a good deal for both parties. :lol:


Your comment "I'd like the hear similar discussion after the USSR invaded Poland. ;)" seemed fairly open ended.

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