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Multi-culturalism ... ugum bugum !!!

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(ANSA) - Rome, August 28 - A 24-year-old apparently Muslim 'cultural mediator' for an Italian migrant-reception cooperative got into hot water Monday by saying rape was "a worse act, but only at the beginning, when the willy goes in, then the woman becomes calm and you enjoy it like normal intercourse".
There were calls for the man, Abid Jee, to be sacked over the Facebook post, which caused a stir despite being quickly removed.
Jee was commenting on the Friday night rapes of a Polish tourist and a transsexual prostitute by a reported North African gang of four in Rimini.
A politician for the We With Salvini rightwing populist party, Saverio Solvini, also drew flak by commenting, in light of a rape by suspected migrants, who are generally treated more favourably by leftwingers: "But when will it (rape) happen to (House Speaker Laura) Boldrini and the women of the (centre-left) Democratic Party?".
We With Salvini is the southern branch of the anti-immigrant Northern League, led by Matteo Salvini.
Salvini faced calls to sack Solvini, who is party chief in the southern town of San Giovanni Rotondo.


http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2017/08/28/rape-worse-at-start-man-takes-flak_c0c8f880-836d-4c84-bff0-f6203c289446.html

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:46 pm 
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Multi-culturalism ... ugum bugum !!!

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(ANSA) - Rome, August 28 - A 24-year-old apparently Muslim 'cultural mediator' for an Italian migrant-reception cooperative got into hot water Monday by saying rape was "a worse act, but only at the beginning, when the willy goes in, then the woman becomes calm and you enjoy it like normal intercourse".
There were calls for the man, Abid Jee, to be sacked over the Facebook post, which caused a stir despite being quickly removed.
Jee was commenting on the Friday night rapes of a Polish tourist and a transsexual prostitute by a reported North African gang of four in Rimini.
A politician for the We With Salvini rightwing populist party, Saverio Solvini, also drew flak by commenting, in light of a rape by suspected migrants, who are generally treated more favourably by leftwingers: "But when will it (rape) happen to (House Speaker Laura) Boldrini and the women of the (centre-left) Democratic Party?".
We With Salvini is the southern branch of the anti-immigrant Northern League, led by Matteo Salvini.
Salvini faced calls to sack Solvini, who is party chief in the southern town of San Giovanni Rotondo.


http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2017/08/28/rape-worse-at-start-man-takes-flak_c0c8f880-836d-4c84-bff0-f6203c289446.html


I wonder who will get more flak for their comments, Mr. Jee or Mr. Solvini?

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

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Man arrested in Villa Park, charged with fundraising for ISIS fighters
Jason MeisnerContact Reporter
Chicago Tribune

A 31-year-old truck driver living in west suburban Villa Park was arrested by the FBI on Thursday on charges out of New York that alleged he raised money in 2015 to help send fighters from the U.S. to ISIS fronts in Syria.

At a hearing in federal court in Chicago, prosecutors asked that Dilshod Khusanov, a native of Uzbekistan, be detained as a flight risk and danger to the community.

He would then be taken to Brooklyn to face the two-count indictment charging him with conspiring and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic State and a second terrorist organization, al-Nusrah Front. Each count carries a maximum of 15 years in prison if convicted.

U.S. Magistrate Judge M. David Weisman will rule on the removal proceedings next week after an attorney for Khusanov asked for more time to speak with his client about his rights.

Khusanov was arrested just after 6 a.m. Thursday at his home in Villa Park, authorities said. Public records show he'd lived there only a short time, with previous addresses listed in New York.

In a court filing Thursday, prosecutors said Khusanov has been working as a truck driver and "frequently travels across the East Coast."

Khusanov appeared in court dressed in a red-and-white checkered shirt, khaki pants and bright red gym shoes, with shackles clanking around his ankles.

At one point, Khusanov asked Weisman for a more detailed explanation of what it meant that he had been indicted and therefore was not entitled to a preliminary hearing.

According to a release from the U.S. attorney's office in Brooklyn, Khusanov was part of a cell of "like-minded individuals" seeking to aid ISIS and al-Nusrah Front in Syria.

Four other members of the support group, as well as two people who allegedly tried to travel to Syria to join ISIS fighters, have already pleaded guilty to their roles in the conspiracy, according to prosecutors.

The investigation began when one of Khusanov's co-conspirators, Abdurasul Juraboev, posted on an Uzbek-language website that he wished to martyr himself on U.S. soil, possibly by assassinating then-President Barack Obama, according to prosecutors.

Another co-conspirator, Akhror Saidakhmetov, was arrested in February 2015 at Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to travel to Turkey and then Syria "for the purpose of waging violent jihad on behalf of ISIS," according to the charges.

Khusanov helped fund those efforts by providing his own money and promising to raise other funds to help pay Saidakhmetov's travel expenses, prosecutors alleged.

In the week before Saidakhmetov was scheduled to leave for Turkey, Khusanov transferred money into the personal bank account of another co-conspirator, Akmal Zakirov, that was earmarked for Saidakhmetov's travel, according to prosecutors.

Both Juraboev and Saidakhmetov had been secretly recorded talking about a wide range of terrorist plots, according to the charges filed against them in New York.

In one conversation from November 2014, Saidakhmetov talked about joining the U.S. military as an ISIS spy, according to a criminal complaint. When Juraboev criticized that plan, Saidakhmetov responded he could always just "open fire on American soldiers and kill as many of them as possible," the complaint alleged.

Two months later, Saidakhmetov was recorded by an FBI informant talking about another plan to secure an automatic weapon and shoot a police officer, the complaint alleged.

"Boom ... then we will take his gun, bullets and a bulletproof vest (and) do the same with a couple of others," Saidakhmetov allegedly said. "Then we will go to FBI headquarters, kill the FBI people."

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We need some more peop;e from the '-stans'...

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http://time.com/4930742/islam-terrorism ... -violence/

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Among Indonesia’s most influential Islamic leaders is Yahya Cholil Staquf, 51,advocates a modern, moderate Islam. He is general secretary of the Nahdlatul Ulama, which, with about 50 million members, is the country’s biggest Muslim organization. Yahya. This interview, notable for Yahya’s candor, was first published on Aug. 19 in German in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. Here are excerpts translated from the original Bahasa Indonesia into English.

Many Western politicians and intellectuals say that Islamist terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. What is your view?


Western politicians should stop pretending that extremism and terrorism have nothing to do with Islam. There is a clear relationship between fundamentalism, terrorism, and the basic assumptions of Islamic orthodoxy. So long as we lack consensus regarding this matter, we cannot gain victory over fundamentalist violence within Islam.

Radical Islamic movements are nothing new. They’ve appeared again and again throughout our own history in Indonesia. The West must stop ascribing any and all discussion of these issues to “Islamophobia.” Or do people want to accuse me — an Islamic scholar — of being an Islamophobe too?


What basic assumptions within traditional Islam are problematic?

The relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims, the relationship of Muslims with the state, and Muslims’ relationship to the prevailing legal system wherever they live … Within the classical tradition, the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims is assumed to be one of segregation and enmity.

Perhaps there were reasons for this during the Middle Ages, when the tenets of Islamic orthodoxy were established, but in today’s world such a doctrine is unreasonable. To the extent that Muslims adhere to this view of Islam, it renders them incapable of living harmoniously and peacefully within the multi-cultural, multi-religious societies of the 21st century.


A Western politician would likely be accused of racism for saying what you just said.


I’m not saying that Islam is the only factor causing Muslim minorities in the West to lead a segregated existence, often isolated from society as a whole. There may be other factors on the part of the host nations, such as racism, which exists everywhere in the world. But traditional Islam — which fosters an attitude of segregation and enmity toward non-Muslims — is an important factor.


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Interesting article in Time about the relationship between Islam and radicalism/terrorism

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The West cannot force Muslims to adopt a moderate interpretation of Islam. But Western politicians should stop telling us that fundamentalism and violence have nothing to do with traditional Islam. That is simply wrong.



In other words, the West cannot force a "Muslim Reformation".
That can only be accomplished by Muslims.

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Who and what are responsible?

Over the past 50 years, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have spent massively to promote their ultra-conservative version of Islam worldwide. After allowing this to go unchallenged for so many decades, the West must finally exert decisive pressure upon the Saudis to cease this behavior ... I admire Western, especially European, politicians. Their thoughts are so wonderfully humanitarian. But we live in a time when you have to think and act realistically.

The last time I was in Brussels I witnessed some Arab, perhaps North African, youth insult and harass a group of policemen. My Belgian friends remarked that such behavior has become an almost everyday occurrence in their country. Why do you allow such behavior? What kind if impression does that make? Europe, and Germany in particular, are accepting massive numbers of refugees. Don’t misunderstand me: of course you cannot close your eyes to those in need. But the fact remains that you’re taking in millions of refugees about whom you know virtually nothing, except that they come from extremely problematic regions of the world.

I would guess that you and I agree that there is a far right wing in Western societies that would reject even a moderate, contextualized Islam.

And there's an extreme left wing whose adherents reflexively denounce any and all talk about the connections between traditional Islam, fundamentalism and violence as de facto proof of Islamophobia. This must end. A problem that is not acknowledged cannot be solved.

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He also says this:

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The West cannot force Muslims to adopt a moderate interpretation of Islam. But Western politicians should stop telling us that fundamentalism and violence have nothing to do with traditional Islam. That is simply wrong.



In other words, the West cannot force a "Muslim Reformation".
That can only be accomplished by Muslims.

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Who and what are responsible?

Over the past 50 years, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have spent massively to promote their ultra-conservative version of Islam worldwide. After allowing this to go unchallenged for so many decades, the West must finally exert decisive pressure upon the Saudis to cease this behavior ... I admire Western, especially European, politicians. Their thoughts are so wonderfully humanitarian. But we live in a time when you have to think and act realistically.

The last time I was in Brussels I witnessed some Arab, perhaps North African, youth insult and harass a group of policemen. My Belgian friends remarked that such behavior has become an almost everyday occurrence in their country. Why do you allow such behavior? What kind if impression does that make? Europe, and Germany in particular, are accepting massive numbers of refugees. Don’t misunderstand me: of course you cannot close your eyes to those in need. But the fact remains that you’re taking in millions of refugees about whom you know virtually nothing, except that they come from extremely problematic regions of the world.

I would guess that you and I agree that there is a far right wing in Western societies that would reject even a moderate, contextualized Islam.

And there's an extreme left wing whose adherents reflexively denounce any and all talk about the connections between traditional Islam, fundamentalism and violence as de facto proof of Islamophobia. This must end. A problem that is not acknowledged cannot be solved.



He's saying what most of the posters, here, say.

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Maybe a Terrorist attack, a bucket with white liquid exploded.

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British police respond to reports of explosion at London subway station
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/15 ... ation.html

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Maybe a Terrorist attack, a bucket with white liquid exploded.

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British police respond to reports of explosion at London subway station
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/15 ... ation.html
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Police have decided it was terrorism.

But don't be concerned, the London Mayor sez these things happen in big cities.

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Two separate attacks today in France:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-n ... sons-Green


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Paris.html


In the first one, a man with a hammer attacks two women.
In the second attack, a man with a knife attacks a policeman.
In both attackers, the perpetrators were yelling "Allahu ackbar"

Just another typical day in Europe....

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Saudi Arabia has come under fire for using schoolbooks for children that disparage Christians as “unbelievers” and promise that the day of resurrection will not come until Muslims have fought and killed the Jews.
An official textbook for fifth graders published by the Saudi Ministry of Education states that the approach of the Day of Resurrection will be recognizable by a series of signs. “The Hour will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews, and Muslims will kill the Jews,” it declares.

According to Human Rights Watch (HRW), a U.S.-based advocacy group, Saudi Arabia’s religious studies curriculum “contains hateful and incendiary language toward religions and Islamic traditions that do not adhere to its interpretation of Sunni Islam,” including the labeling of Jews and Christians as unbelievers “with whom Muslims should not associate.”

Human Rights Watch undertook a comprehensive review of school religion books published by the Saudi Education Ministry for the 2016-17 school year. The curriculum, titled al-tawhid, or “Monotheism,” comprises 45 textbooks and student workbooks for the primary, middle, and secondary education levels.

The September 11, 2001 jihadist attacks that killed some 3,000 Americans provoked public outrage at the incendiary language in Saudi schoolbooks after it became known that 15 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11 were Saudi citizens. Saudi officials promised at the time to expunge the abusive language from its curriculum. A decade and a half later, however, some of this insulting and dangerous content is still a part of Saudi texts, HRW declared.

In February 2017, Saudi’s education minister acknowledged the need for a “broader curriculum overhaul” but offered no specifics as to when if ever such an overhaul would take place.

“As early as first grade, students in Saudi schools are being taught hatred toward all those perceived to be of a different faith or school of thought,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “The lessons in hate are reinforced with each following year.”

Although the U.S. State Department has designated Saudi Arabia a “country of particular concern” under the International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA) ever since 2004, the American government has elected to waive the penalties, economic sanctions, arms embargoes, and travel and visa restrictions that accompany this designation.

During his speech in Riyadh in May 2017, President Donald Trump underscored the importance of religious liberty in the Middle East, while also announcing a massive $110 billion arms purchase by the Saudis as part of economic deals between the two countries totaling some $400 billion.

“For many centuries the Middle East has been home to Christians, Muslims and Jews living side-by-side,” he said. “We must practice tolerance and respect for each other once again—and make this region a place where every man and woman, no matter their faith or ethnicity, can enjoy a life of dignity and hope.”

In its recent report, HRW painted a dour picture of the state of religious freedom in Saudi Arabia, beginning with the indoctrination of schoolchildren.

“The curriculum reserves its harshest criticisms for Jews, Christians, and people of other faiths,” HRW declared, and the texts often refer to them as kuffar, or “unbelievers.”

One fifth-grade textbook refers to Jews and Christians as among the “original unbelievers” and declares that it is the duty of Muslims to excommunicate them: “For whoever does not [excommunicate them], or whoever doubts their religious infidelity is himself an unbeliever.”

The proper attitude toward such unbelievers is “hostility and antagonism,” the textbook states, while warming Muslims never to join with them in their celebrations.

In its review of the Saudi curriculum, Human Rights Watch limited its study to the al-tawhid series and did not explore religion texts dealing with Islamic law, Islamic culture, Islamic commentary, or Qur’an recitation.



http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/09/15/saudi-arabia-5th-grade-schoolbook-the-hour-will-come-after-muslims-kill-the-jews/

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