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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:44 am 
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It's NEVER crime stats. I have been saying that on these forums for 20 years.

Rather it is massacre stats.
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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:53 am 
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Joe wrote:
It's NEVER crime stats. I have been saying that on these forums for 20 years.

Rather it is massacre stats.
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Stats from the City of Chicago---Year to Date:

2019 Year To Date Totals
Posted on February 1, 2019

Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 386
Shot & Wounded: 1839
Total Shot: 2225
Total Homicides: 420

Through the end of September, 103 of those who were shot---were shot in the ass.....
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an additional 25 were shot in their junk.
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As of October 13, there were only 2 incidents in Chicago where as many as 8 people were shot.
There were no incidents in Chicago 2019 YTD where more than 8 people were shot.

Chicago is not suffering from mass shooting incidents....rather it is suffering from an almost continuous stream of shootings.

Those stats came from https://heyjackass.com/
and even more stats are available should you be interested.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:51 am 
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If they have finally gone on the legal offensive, good for them!


Another example of that "NRA going on the legal offensive" thing:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... n-storage/

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Superior Court Judge Strikes Down Seattle Gun Storage Ordinance

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22 Oct 2019

Superior Court Judge Anita Farris struck down Seattle’s gun storage ordinance Monday, ruling it violates the state’s 36-year-old preemption law.
Preemption laws exist in various states around the union. They forbid cities and other localities from passing gun controls that exceed those which exist at the state level.

The suit in which Judge Farris ruled was brought by the Second Amendment Foundation and National Rifle Association, together with three private citizens, Brett Bass, Curtis McCullough and Swan Seaberg. It rested on a claim the gun storage law of 2018 violated preemption.

Second Amendment Foundation founder and executive vice president Alan Gottlieb said, “Judge Farris’ ruling confirms what we’ve argued all along, that under the state preemption law, first adopted in 1983 and strengthened in 1985, the Legislature has sole authority over firearms regulation in the state.”

Gottlieb explained:

Michael Bloomberg’s gun control lobbying group has been supporting similar restrictive local laws all over the country. This victory will help stop this across the country. Preemption uniformity was a good idea in the 1980s and it is still the most commonsense way to deal with firearms regulation. What is the law in one part of a state should be the law in all parts of that state.

Pending appeal, Farris’ ruling will result in a permanent injunction against the gun storage ordinance.


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The decision arrived Friday, more than a year after three Edmonds residents filed a lawsuit against the city, with the assistance of the National Rifle Association and the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation.

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/judge-ed ... -firearms/

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:07 am 
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Well I'll be damned. Is the NRA FINALLY doing its job!?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:14 am 
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https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/10/e ... gislation/

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Even the ACLU Opposes California’s Gun Confiscation Legislation

Posted by Kemberlee Kaye Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 3:00pm
“a significant threat to civil liberties by expanding the authorization to seek ex parte orders”

California recently pushed constitutionally guaranteed second amendment protections to the limit. So much so that they’ve drawn the ire of the American Civil Liberties Union.

From The Daily Caller:

Under current California law, the government is empowered to confiscate an individual’s firearms if a family member or law enforcement officer petitions a court to do so and the court determines that there is a “substantial likelihood” that the individual “poses a significant danger” to themselves or others. The entire procedure takes place ex parte. This means that the person targeted with the confiscation order is not provided with any opportunity to present evidence and offer a defense in court or even receive notice of the petition prior to the confiscation of their firearms.

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The California scheme has unconstitutional effects. As proposed, every family member of a gun owner and every law enforcement officer will enjoy an unlawful veto over that gun owner’s Second Amendment rights and the gun owner has no opportunity to object until their rights have been infringed. Due process is fundamental; at a minimum, due process requires notice, an opportunity to be heard and present evidence, and the right to be represented by counsel.

Within 21 days after the order is issued a gun owner is entitled to a hearing on the matter. If, after a hearing, the court determines the individual to pose a danger, the gun owner’s right to possess firearms is suspended for one year.

…On October 11, Newsom signed a raft of gun control bills that amend California’s gun confiscation orders procedure. Newsom signed AB 12, which will increase the duration of the gun confiscation order from “one to five years.” The governor also approved AB 61, which will expand the categories of individuals who can petition to deprive a person of their Second Amendment rights to include employers, coworkers, and “employee[s] or teacher[s] of a secondary or postsecondary school.” That’s right, not just educators, but any employee of the school district may be able to restrict the constitutional rights of on an adult student.


The American Civil Liberties Union has objected to the new slate of legislative measures and as The Daily Caller reports, said they pose “a significant threat to civil liberties by expanding the authorization to seek ex parte orders, with all the ensuing consequences, without an opportunity for the person to be heard or contest the matter.”

An ex parte order means the person subject to the restraining order is not informed of the court proceeding and therefore has no opportunity to contest the allegations. We support the efforts to prevent gun violence, but we must balance that important goal with protection of civil liberties so we do not sacrifice one in an attempt to accomplish the other… By expanding the parties that could apply for such an ex parte restraining order to include all the parties listed above, many of whom lack the relationship or skills required to make an appropriate assessment, AB 61… creates significant potential for civil rights violations.



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The entire procedure takes place ex parte. This means that the person targeted with the confiscation order is not provided with any opportunity to present evidence and offer a defense in court or even receive notice of the petition prior to the confiscation of their firearms.

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The California scheme has unconstitutional effects. As proposed, every family member of a gun owner and every law enforcement officer will enjoy an unlawful veto over that gun owner’s Second Amendment rights and the gun owner has no opportunity to object until their rights have been infringed. Due process is fundamental; at a minimum, due process requires notice, an opportunity to be heard and present evidence, and the right to be represented by counsel.


The fact that this process can occur, without notice to the gun owner, and without the opportunity to be able to object, provide a rebuttal or be represented by counsel, before the seizure of their property, is concerning.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
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I think the whole point is that this process can be done WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Requiring evidence would be a cumbersome impediment, so let's skip over that and grab the guns.

And BTW, the owner could object, but would have to accept the consequences of their act.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control Works!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:36 am 
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jwilkerson wrote:
I think the whole point is that this process can be done WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Requiring evidence would be a cumbersome impediment, so let's skip over that and grab the guns.

And BTW, the owner could object, but would have to accept the consequences of their act.


Correct.

That sort of goes along with the due process (opportunity to be able to object, provide a rebuttal or be represented by counsel, before the seizure of their property) that I was referring to. Due process normally includes a requirement for the plaintiff to present evidence to support their demand for the seizure of firearms.
I just didn't state that :oops:

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Gun Control and Venezuela

Some very good points raised in this short video

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