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Noncitizens across U.S. find it easy to register to vote, cast ballots

Russian national surprised to be on rolls in San Francisco


By S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Tuesday, July 31, 2018

A Russian national or any other noncitizen can easily influence a U.S. election by simply registering to vote in California — just ask Elizaveta Shuvalova.

Ms. Shuvalova said she didn’t even know her name was added to the San Francisco voter rolls in 2012, when she was a 21-year-old Russian citizen living legally in the U.S. but ineligible to vote.

“I’ve never registered for anything in my entire life,” said Ms. Shuvalova, who became a U.S. citizen early last year. “This is news to me.”

The Washington Times obtained a San Francisco County voter log that detailed Ms. Shuvalova’s registration history and presented the document to her.

It showed that she signed up as a Democrat in July 2012 and that her registration was canceled in May 2016 after she told election officials she wasn’t a citizen. Her registration, as a Republican, was reactivated in March 2017.

“This is definitely a shocker to me. It is like an identity fraud because this is not coming from my end,” said Ms. Shuvalova, who now lives in New York, works as a personal trainer and calls herself a Democrat. “Like I told you, I haven’t even been a citizen during that time frame. So what can we do about it?”

More of a shocker is how easily Ms. Shuvalova was registered to vote in California without a citizenship check. Conservative watchdogs say the problem is surprisingly common across the country.

Noncitizens are signing up to vote in states including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Virginia, according to research by the Public Interest Legal Foundation, a nonprofit law firm that advocates for election integrity. The foundation found that a large percentage of those noncitizens managed to cast ballots, too.

Ms. Shuvalova was signed up — possibly without her knowledge — by an organization circulating a petition for a 2013 ballot initiative to stop a massive condominium development on the San Francisco waterfront.

A signed registration card was submitted with the petition to qualify Ms. Shuvalova as a petition signer, said John Arntz, director of the San Francisco Department of Elections.

Activists often hand in stacks of registration cards with their petitions, he said.

Election officials say they conduct routine cross-references of voter registration information with databases at the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles and the secretary of state’s office but did not flag Ms. Shuvalova as a noncitizen.

The box for “vote by mail” was checked on her registration card, and the county began sending her ballots.

County records show she received nine ballots but never voted.

The only ballot returned to the election office was in May 2016, a month before the state’s Democratic primary, with the words “not citizen” written on it. Her self-identification as a noncitizen was noted on the voter log.

The county canceled Ms. Shuvalova’s registration at that time.

Yet she was somehow reregistered again a year later, about the time she became a citizen. Four months later, she moved to New York but remained on the California voter rolls.

Ms. Shuvalova said she doesn’t recall registering to vote either time or returning the ballot saying she wasn’t a citizen.

Mr. Arntz said nothing would have prevented Ms. Shuvalova from voting prior to 2016 and she would have remained on the voter rolls if his department had not received the ballot with “not citizen” scrawled across it.

But he didn’t think the Shuvalova case represented a broader problem.

“If it was a problem, this would be an issue that comes up every election or something we would have experienced more through time. But it doesn’t,” he told The Times.

“This is the first instance that I’ve actually had a conversation like this,” he said. “So, no, I don’t think it is a problem. I don’t think there’s many records out there like this.”

The Public Interest Legal Foundation said it already has other examples from Mr. Artz.

Logan Churchwell, communications and research director for the foundation, said Ms. Shuvalova’s file was one of more than two dozen records gleaned from San Francisco, based on a request for other self-reported noncitizens.

In six of those cases, the noncitizen also had a voting history.


“Our voter registration system masks noncitizens and allows the opportunity to vote until they decide to self-report at their own peril. All of this could have been prevented if states actually verified citizen eligibility upfront,” Mr. Churchwell said.

In response to the inquiries by The Times, Mr. Arntz said the Shuvalova case would be forwarded to San Francisco District Attorney George Gascon for review.

“This voter did not recall completing a registration affidavit in 2012. So then the question would go potentially to whoever organized the petition circulation,” he said.

Mr. Arntz said he was almost certain that nobody had been prosecuted in San Francisco for being a noncitizen on the voter rolls during his 16 years at the department.

“I can’t remember forwarding an allegation that someone was a noncitizen who registered to vote or did vote,” he said.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Voter Registration
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California’s motor voter law letting residents automatically register to vote took effect in April. Since then, people have newly registered or updated their voter registration more than a million times. The new law is aimed at making it easier for people to register and boosting voter turnout.


Sounds like something Nero would support....amirite?

but.....

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At least one non-citizen and perhaps many more were improperly registered to vote in California by the Department of Motor Vehicles, prompting the secretary of state to demand a new investigation of the embattled agency Monday.

The DMV said about 1,500 people may have been incorrectly registered between April 23 and Sept. 25 because of a “processing error.” That includes legal residents who are not citizens, although the DMV says none of the people mistakenly registered are people living in the country illegally.

One Canadian national who’s lived in the U.S. 31 years told the Los Angeles Times that he knew it was a mistake when he was told he was newly registered to vote.

“When I saw that card, I just threw it out,” Randall Marquis said. “I know I’m not going to vote. I’m not allowed to vote, it’s stupid that I should be registered to vote.”


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DMV Director Jean Shiomoto and California Department of Technology Director Amy Tong notified the secretary of state about the problem in a Monday letter. It’s the latest issue the department has reported with its new “motor voter” registration system. Last month, the department announced it may have botched about 23,000 voter registrations because of a separate error.


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Early voting for the Nov. 6 election began Monday.



https://ktla.com/2018/10/08/california- ... -citizens/

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California’s motor voter law letting residents automatically register to vote took effect in April. Since then, people have newly registered or updated their voter registration more than a million times. The new law is aimed at making it easier for people to register and boosting voter turnout.


Sounds like something Nero would support....amirite?

but.....

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At least one non-citizen and perhaps many more were improperly registered to vote in California by the Department of Motor Vehicles, prompting the secretary of state to demand a new investigation of the embattled agency Monday.

The DMV said about 1,500 people may have been incorrectly registered between April 23 and Sept. 25 because of a “processing error.” That includes legal residents who are not citizens, although the DMV says none of the people mistakenly registered are people living in the country illegally.

One Canadian national who’s lived in the U.S. 31 years told the Los Angeles Times that he knew it was a mistake when he was told he was newly registered to vote.

“When I saw that card, I just threw it out,” Randall Marquis said. “I know I’m not going to vote. I’m not allowed to vote, it’s stupid that I should be registered to vote.”


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DMV Director Jean Shiomoto and California Department of Technology Director Amy Tong notified the secretary of state about the problem in a Monday letter. It’s the latest issue the department has reported with its new “motor voter” registration system. Last month, the department announced it may have botched about 23,000 voter registrations because of a separate error.


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Early voting for the Nov. 6 election began Monday.



https://ktla.com/2018/10/08/california- ... -citizens/

I just have a proper civil registration, like we have in Nordic countries. ;)

And even in UK, without proper civil registration auto voter rights are guaranteed. I just wonder how, but perhaps the local Brits can enlighten us? :roll:

A high voter turnout is a sign of an advanced democracy. ;)

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https://ktla.com/2018/10/08/california- ... -citizens/
I just have a proper civil registration, like we have in Nordic countries. ;)

And even in UK, without proper civil registration auto voter rights are guaranteed. I just wonder how, but perhaps the local Brits can enlighten us? :roll:

A high voter turnout is a sign of an advanced democracy. ;)




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A high voter turnout is a sign of an advanced democracy. ;)


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According to Soviet electoral statistics, voter turnout has always been extremely high, and reached the 99.99% mark in the 1984 elections to the Supreme Soviet.


So by having a 99.99% voter turnout rate the Soviet Union must have been the most advanced democracy in history, right Nero?

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chijohnaok wrote:
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https://ktla.com/2018/10/08/california- ... -citizens/
I just have a proper civil registration, like we have in Nordic countries. ;)

And even in UK, without proper civil registration auto voter rights are guaranteed. I just wonder how, but perhaps the local Brits can enlighten us? :roll:

A high voter turnout is a sign of an advanced democracy. ;)




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A high voter turnout is a sign of an advanced democracy. ;)


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According to Soviet electoral statistics, voter turnout has always been extremely high, and reached the 99.99% mark in the 1984 elections to the Supreme Soviet.


So by having a 99.99% voter turnout rate the Soviet Union must have been the most advanced democracy in history, right Nero?

In soviet union the voter turnout was sometimes over 100% in some smaller distant districts, because of the buffet effect, serving or selling products not usually available. Like vodka in other light drinks were not available for practical reasons. Only Spiritus Fortis was practical, does not freeze during the winter.

But I was meaning democracy in modern western sense.

What was the voter turnout in the US 2016, in Sweden month ago it was something like 85%.

So it goes.

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Overall voter turnout – defined as the share of adult U.S. citizens who cast ballots – was 61.4% in 2016, a share similar to 2012 but below the 63.6% who say they voted in 2008.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... t-ballots/

Voting in elections in the United States is the right of a citizen, but you are not compelled to do so.
You vote if you decide to vote, or not vote if that is your preference.

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Overall voter turnout – defined as the share of adult U.S. citizens who cast ballots – was 61.4% in 2016, a share similar to 2012 but below the 63.6% who say they voted in 2008.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... t-ballots/

Voting in elections in the United States is the right of a citizen, but you are not compelled to do so.
You vote if you decide to vote, or not vote if that is your preference.

The 85% if Swedish turnout was completely voluntary. And bet you would have much higher turnout with voter auto registration.

But then you don't want it. You are not democrat. :roll:

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chijohnaok wrote:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... t-ballots/

Voting in elections in the United States is the right of a citizen, but you are not compelled to do so.
You vote if you decide to vote, or not vote if that is your preference.

The 85% if Swedish turnout was completely voluntary. And bet you would have much higher turnout with voter auto registration.

But then you don't want it. You are not democrat. :roll:


It's not a fricken contest to see who has the higher voter turnout rates (or the Soviet Union would be the all time winner).

I've given you an example (California) for the risks with an improperly implemented voter auto registration system (and it literally is an "auto" system since it is tied into the Department of Motor Vehicles process of issuing drivers licenses).

A US citizen has the right to register to vote, just as they have the right to then actually go out and cast a ballot.
If they have a desire to go out and register, then they will likely go out and vote.
Conversely, if you don't have enough enterprise to go out and register, then how likely are you going to go out and vote.

I am a proponent of voting, every citizen (once properly registered) should vote.
I would much prefer that those who have enough desire to learn the candidates, study the issues, etc go out and vote, but there is of course no requirement for that.

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The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. §§ 20501–20511) (formerly 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg–1973gg-10), also known as the Motor Voter Act, is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, and which came into effect on January 1, 1995. The law was enacted under the Elections Clause of the United States Constitution. The law advances voting rights in the United States by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver license or applies for public assistance along with requiring the United States Postal Service to mail election materials of a state as if the state is a nonprofit.[1] The law requires states to register applicants that use a federal voter registration form to apply and prohibits states from removing registered voters from the voter rolls unless certain criteria are met.

The Act exempts from its requirements the states that have continuously, since March 11, 1993, not required voter registration for federal elections or that have offered Election Day voter registration (EDR) for federal general elections. Six states qualify for exemption from the Act: North Dakota (which does not require registration), Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Wyoming. Maine lost the exemption when it abolished EDR in 2011, although EDR was subsequently restored in that state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ct_of_1993


I believe that was done to increase the voter registration rate and the rate of voter turnout

What has been the impact since it went into effect in 1995?

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Turnout statistics

Election/Voting Age Population/Turnout/% Turnout of VAP
1992 189,493,000 104,600,000 55.2%
1996 196,789,000 96,390,000 49.0%
2000 209,787,000 105,594,000 50.3%
2004 219,553,000 122,349,000 55.7%
2008 229,945,000 131,407,000 58.2%
2012 235,248,000 129,235,000 54.9%
2016 250,056,000 (estimated)[10] 138,847,000 (estimated)[10] 55.5% (estimated)


U.S. presidential election popular vote totals as a percentage of the total U.S. population. Note the surge in 1828 (extension of suffrage to non-property-owning white men), the drop from 1890–1910 (when Southern states disenfranchised most African Americans and many poor whites), and another surge in 1920 (extension of suffrage to women). Note also that this chart represents the number of votes cast as a percentage of total population, and does not compare either of those quantities with the percentage of the population that was eligible to vote.
Election Voting Age Population (VAP)[clarification needed][8] Turnout[clarification needed][8] % Turnout of VAP[8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_tur ... statistics

So, what has been the impact of passing the Motor Voter laws?
Statistically, apparently not a whole lot.

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Nero, here is something for you to consider:

In the State of North Dakota, there are no voter registration requirements for any federal or state elections:

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North Dakota….The Only State
Without Voter Registration
 No Voter Registration

North Dakota is the only state without voter registration.
Although North Dakota was one of the first states to adopt
voter registration prior to the turn of the century, it abolished it
in 1951
. It is also worth noting that North Dakota law still
provides cities with the ability to register voters for city
elections.

North Dakota is a rural state and its communities maintain
close ties and networks. North Dakota's system of voting, and
lack of voter registration, is rooted in its rural character by
providing small precincts. Establishing relatively small
precincts is intended to ensure that election boards know the
voters who come to the polling places to vote on Election Day
and can easily detect those who should not be voting in the
precinct.


https://vip.sos.nd.gov/pdfs/portals/votereg.pdf

So North Dakota has not required voter registration since 1951.

What have been the voter turnout rates in North Dakota?

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https://www.ndcompass.org/civic-engagem ... t#0-8306-g

As you see in the chart, the voter turnout rate for North Dakota, over the last 10 years, has been slightly higher than the national rate, but not appreciably higher. It has not gone over the low to mid 60% rate, and it essentially mirrors the voter turnout patterns for the country as a whole.

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