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 Post subject: Go Ireland!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:10 am 
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New poll shows No said with large lead.

I am always sceptical of polls, Lisbon ones in particular. However this one does have more strength that I would normally give to polls for 2 reasons:

1. They asked one single straight question.

2. They were almost spot on with their last Lisbon poll.

I will leave it to yourselves to decide. A nice boost for sure but no cause for complacency.

Received today from Tom Prendeville:

Lisbon Treaty On The Rocks.

A new opinion poll shows that there has been a massive surge in support for the No side, which, if it holds till voting day would result in the Lisbon Treaty being heavily defeated by a margin of 59% NO ‘V’ 41% YES.

In one of the largest polls of its kind ever carried out: Gael Poll polled 1,500 respondents in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford, Kilkenny, Galway, Athlone, Tralee, Dundalk and Letterkenny over the course of six days last week.

The respondents were asked one single question: How do you intend to vote in the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

A substantial 723 (59 %) said they intended voting No as opposed to 502 (41%) who indicated that they would vote Yes. The survey also showed that 15% percent of voters were still undecided.

When pollsters discounted the don’t knows: an overwhelming 59% of people would vote No in the referendum as opposed to 41% who indicated that they would vote Yes. The last Gael Poll which was published in the Irish Sun (June 4th 2008) accurately predicted that the Lisbon Treaty would be defeated by a margin of 54 % for the No side versus 46% for Yes campaigners.
On the day of the count -which took place nine days later- the actual result was 53.4% No and 46.6 % Yes.
The uncanny poll prediction which was out by only a half a percent was the most accurate poll in the country.

Pollsters at Gael Poll which is a non-profit social affairs research organization are quietly confident that they will be accurate for a second year in a row:

“Our Poll was carried out over an extended six day period and we used the exact same methodology as we used last year. In our experience the vote is not half as fluid as one might believe. People tend to have very definite ideas about which way they intend to vote, and those who don’t know tend not to vote at all,” explains Pollster Paul Murphy.

One interesting insight that the pollsters gleaned were the variety of ‘off the radar’ reasons why people intend to vote No:

“Frankly a lot of the personalities who are fronting the Yes campaign don’t appear to be very popular and a lot of people have commented upon this.”

“Apart from the obvious well known issues, we found that people were very concernd about the curtailment of alternative medicines and the banning of turf cutting to the over preponderance of EU flags and emblems. If you were to boil it down to core emotions, No voters tend to be enraged and up for a fight whereas Yes voters tend to be motivated by economic fears,” explained Paul Murphy.

The results will came as a shock to the Government and business groups who have poured over €10 Million Euros+ campaigning for a yes vote in the Lisbon Treaty. In comparison No campaigners are poorly funded with a total combined spend of just under €1 Million Euros.


The hypernationalistic eurofanatics just might be told to fuck off again.

I watched Vaclav Klaus being treated like crap again earlier just to get the blood boiling once more. Not to mention the antics of that twat, Hans-Gert Poettering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljAANHPkrAE

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So it's lather, rinse, repeat until the EU gets it's way?


Or will there be further referendums to repeal tyhe Lisbon treaty should it pass?

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So it's lather, rinse, repeat until the EU gets it's way?


Thats how they work. Got to keep asking until they get the right answer.

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So it's lather, rinse, repeat until the EU gets it's way?


Thats how they work. Got to keep asking until they get the right answer.


Duh-mocracy in action....

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Hehe, it sure would be interesting if they voted down the treaty again.


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Hehe, it sure would be interesting if they voted down the treaty again.

Then there will be another vote. :roll:

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Hehe, it sure would be interesting if they voted down the treaty again.

Then there will be another vote. :roll:


I think even the Eurocracy will only be able to get away with that so often. Every time they do it their star falls a little lower. Part of their success is that the bastards are practically invisible. When their bastardy comes out into the sunlight the EU generally is not well thought of, at least not round these parts.

There have been threats in the past of a 'two tier Europe' developing where some countries ignore the 'noes' and forge on ahead. Maybe one day they'll actually do this and just proceed without Ireland, or anybody else who says no.

If so, thats wonderful news. The Germans can throw their Nazi guilt ridden sovereignty away to the French in an act of final atonement, and the Italians can shrug as their monstrously corrupt government in Rome turns to a possibly slightly less monstrously corrupt one in Brussels.

Meanwhile everybody else gets a dose of the flexibility and localism the EU so badly needs.

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Then there will be another vote. :roll:


I think even the Eurocracy will only be able to get away with that so often. Every time they do it their star falls a little lower.
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Remember Denmark. ;)

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Remember Denmark. ;)


Yeah, but now we have No campaign posters up with "Little People do your duty, vote Yes!" and that sort of thing.

And the No guys have facts on their side. If the EU persists in acting like Lenin, there'll be plenty more facts escaping into the wild, and 'ever closer union' will become constantly more difficult.

Imagine a country where 80% of people loathed the EU as much as I do. If that scenario happens, its bye bye EU, no matter what the politicians say, and the more they shit in our faces the more likely it is to happen.

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Then there will be another vote


One man; one vote; one time. Then there will be no more votes.

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