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 Post subject: Re: Will Electric Cars Crash The Grid?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:18 am 
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I've been wondering how this is going to work.

The current administration wants to tax the hell out of traditional energy suppliers,the major energy source in this nation is coal,no one wants a nuclear plant "in their back yard",and hybrid cars are being pushed as the solution to our dependence on foriegn oil.




Typical lefty doubelspeak there..........


Huh?

Brother i ain't no lefty but change is coming if for right or wrong.

Better to ease into change than to have it smack you in the head with a baseball bat.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:23 am 
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Huh?

Brother i ain't no lefty but change is coming if for right or wrong.

Better to ease into change than to have it smack you in the head with a baseball bat.



And the Nazis said they were just following orders too!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:24 am 
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And the Nazis said they were just following orders too!


Now you would know something about that.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:29 am 
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Now you would know something about that.


Nope ...lefty fascist wrote the book on mind control.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:38 am 
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Nope ...lefty fascist wrote the book on mind control.


Luckily you've managed to escape our grasp so far by not having a mind.

Be sure to keep it thataway! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Will Electric Cars Crash The Grid?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:06 am 
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
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Huh?

Brother i ain't no lefty but change is coming if for right or wrong.

Better to ease into change than to have it smack you in the head with a baseball bat.



And the Nazis said they were just following orders too!


I would appreciate it if you knock that crap off.

If you want to know what i believe just ask and quit throwing the lefty and nazi tags around.

My own opinion is that the majority of the enviromentalist movement is a sham for wealth redistribution both between and within nations.After the collapse of the Soviet Union there were still many strong adherents to socialism and communism that saw the enviromental movement as their best bet to achieve their social agenda by trumpeting the boogeyman of imminent man-made enviromental disaster.

It would take a complete idiot to say that man has zero impact on the enviroment and that some global changes are not a direct result of us.The global enviromental movement is not about that though.What it is about is bringing parity between nations not by bringing up the have nots by by lowering the standard of living of the haves.With the privileged few,who know better,garnering all the amenities of modern life such as clean water,food,electricity,higher education while condeming the rest to get their drinking water from the same gutters that they defecate in.

Why do i say that we need to ease into this then?

The answer is easy there is a whole generation,at least here in the US,that have been weaned on this garbage and are either entering adulthood or soon will.It is not a question of if but when and how the transistion can be made less painless and maybe less farreaching.

So go ahead and call me a Lefty and a Nazi.God knows the upcoming generation will call me the later and tell me i just dont get it because my generation was the last one raised before political correctness and no questions asked enviromentalism became the norm.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Electric Cars Crash The Grid?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:57 am 
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nero wrote:
Solar power is cheaper than nucular. Just copy what the EU will do; the Desertec. You have the deserts, you have the technology.

Just do it,

Seppo

From your link:

Wouldn't HVDC transmission lines impair the landscape and emit harmful electromagnetic radiation?

"With "HVDC Light" technology as from ABB, over distances above about 500 to 600 km, underground power cables only cost about 10% to 20% more than overhead power lines. Unlike HVAC, HVDC grids do not emit any electromagnetic radiation which is of importance, as it is not possible, according to the laws of physics...."



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DC Magnetic Field Health Concerns

A review of available literature and research regarding possible human health risks associated with exposure to DC (Static) magnetic fields, reveals limited concern except in very high DC field environments.

The International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection. "Guidelines on limits of Exposure to Static Magnetic Fields". Health Physics 66: 100-106 (1994) states the following:

* People become nauseous, develop taste in mouth, vertigo, and magnetophosphenes (flickering sensation in the eyes) at 4 T (40 G)
* Pacemakers can malfunction @ at 3.1 G (this is from a German report for an unspecified model of pacemaker, most pacemakers specify higher fields to malfunction)
* Circadian rhythms are affected by merely rotating Earth's 1/2 G dc field
* Pacemaker warnings usually start at 5 G with manufacturers warning at 10 G
* Precautions for users of metallic prostheses at 30 G
* Precautions for metal tools at 30 G

http://www.fms-corp.com/healthconcerns_dcfields.php4




* Overexposures are unlikely, but fields which could be hazardous to pacemaker users or cause problems for prostheses and tool users are much more likely to be found.

The majority of concerns, both for possible health risk and safety, seem to be centered around NMR and MRI imaging systems and/or similar devices, which utilize very powerful DC magnets. Manufactures of such equipment usually provide guidelines for establishing a "5 G line" around the devices and caution that persons with pacemakers or other implanted medical devices, should stay clear of the 5 G line. An "attractive force hazard" also exists wherein nearby metallic objects can be "drawn" toward the powerful magnets and in some instances at dangerous or even fatal velocity and force. Such attractive force hazards typically include:

* Tools & compressed gas cylinders
* Prosthetic implants made of magnetizable materials (this can include machined stainless steel)
* Jewelry and some watches
* Credit cards & badges (beginning at ~10 G)

NMR and MRI manufactures also urge users of prostheses which contain metal be checked before entering areas where DC magnetic field levels exceed 30G.
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I support solar, but your link seems somewhat disingenuous.


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 Post subject: Re: Will Electric Cars Crash The Grid?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:11 pm 
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Culiacan Mexico wrote:
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I support solar, but your link seems somewhat disingenuous.

I am not a specialist, but I think that the health risks with HVAC are much higher than HVDC, not to mention ABB's HVDC light. And notice that Desertec is planned to be implemented in socialistic Europe with all kind of health and other regulations. So I am not really so worried.

Anyway there are many HVDC power lines around to world, and I have not seen any notion of their health risks. There are several lines in Sweden and one in Finland. I suspect that you are just too conservative here. ;)

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Seppo

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:13 pm 
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If people think the economy is in the shits now and people are not spending money just wait until the average consumer is using a good portion of their disposable yearly income to pay the electric bill from all the added costs.


Hey, nuclear power doesn't come cheap. If you want it, you got to be willing to pay for it. ;)



Its only mildly more expensive than coal from mine to light bulb over the life of the reactor.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:49 pm 
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The global enviromental movement is not about that though.What it is about is bringing parity between nations not by bringing up the have nots by by lowering the standard of living of the haves.With the privileged few,who know better,garnering all the amenities of modern life such as clean water,food,electricity,higher education while condeming the rest to get their drinking water from the same gutters that they defecate in.



So how do you bring this parity between nations?

P.S. Sorry about the Nazi thing but conservatives have been called fascist for ages.

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