New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#211 Post by chijohnaok » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:26 pm

Nero said:
So you think that they repeat the previous fuckups like with SARS. Hide the problem, do not inform people, do nothing to prevent the problem to expand?
Yes, they have repeated the prior fuck up, and then some.

The SARS outbreak resulted in something like 8,098 cases, resulting in 774 deaths reported in 17 countries.
The Coronavirus is already at 31,439 cases, with 639 deaths (this is likely underreported and will continue to increase), with people infected in 28 countries.

If you have watched the ADV China videos that I have posted you would understand that the Chinese authorities hid the problem, did not inform people, arrested and threatened medical people who tried to escalate awareness of the issue.
Did Chinese authorities “do nothing”?
They certainly acted irresponsibly. What else would you call having a public banquet with 100,000 people sharing food off plates with each other, near Wuhan AND DOING THIS 2 AFTER THE OUTBREAK WAS PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED?

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What I have heard, the Chinese have doing better, but is it enough?
Perhaps they are doing better NOW, but that doesn’t negate the fact that they ignored and covered up things for so long.
I mean FFS, they were arresting doctors for talking publicly (spreading rumors) about the outbreak days after authorities had admitted its existence.

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But putting things in perspective, tens of thousands of people die of measles every year. And the number is increasing, thanks to those nihilistic anti-vaxxers. :twisted:
Measles is a known illness, with established vaccines, and processes for treatment.
Coronavirus is different.
And anti-vaxxers are not the only issue (at least in the US).
With the “migrant caravans” the US saw last year, you have tens(or hundreds) of thousands of people coming from Central America crossing into the US illegally. These people came from areas that don’t have adequate vaccine programs, and the people crossing (illegally) in were not being quarantined or checked for illness. With the children that came in they were being released and shipped across the country as quickly as possible.
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#212 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:55 am

Additional information to Nero’s asking about China‘s response....these are not my words, but from Time Magazine:
Confronting an outbreak requires more than just an ability to throw up hospitals in a few days; it necessitates trust. And from the beginning, China’s public response to the virus has raised questions. Even multinational institutions like WHO are feeling this as the coronavirus worsens. The organization was unable to rule on the severity of 2019-nCoV following its first meeting on Jan. 22, apparently because of resistance from Beijing. (WHO referred to “divergent views.”) Notably, despite WHO’s insisting that travel bans to China would not be necessary, a dozen nations introduced stringent restrictions, including the U.S., Australia and North Korea. If you believe China’s official figures, 2019-nCoV has a fatality rate of just 2%–about the same as regular influenza and a far cry from the 50% of Ebola or the 10% of SARS. Why then, observers might well ask, has China placed entire cities in lockdown, quarantined tens of millions and mobilized troops?


Here is the downside of Xi’s system of top-down control; nobody acted until they got word from the top, and then everyone wildly overreacted in order to satisfy the leader. This was evident in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, where the outbreak began, and the official response lurched from cover-up to overreaction only after Xi addressed the crisis. “The full CCP apparatus didn’t kick into gear to address the coronavirus until Xi had weighed in on the matter,” says Blanchette. Notably, the President himself has kept a low profile since the outbreak began and was not seen in public for eight days after the Lunar New Year.
https://time.com/5778994/coronavirus-ch ... ry-future/

One additional snippet from that article, one that goes to support my prior comments that China is likely UNDER-REPORTING statistics regarding the number of infected and dead:
Wu’s mother was cremated the evening she died. A battered container truck arrived at 9 p.m. and packed her body in with countless others. Instead of 2019-nCoV, her death certificate simply reads “viral pneumonia.” Wu signed a permission slip for the cremation but was told her mother’s ashes won’t be released until the crisis has abated. “They say that there are more than 300 dead now,” says Wu, “but I think there are many more.” Distrust, it turns out, is infectious too.
So, back to Nero’s prior comment:
Hide the problem, do not inform people, do nothing to prevent the problem to expand?
From the information in the Time article I would say:
Hide the problem
Yes, they attempted to do so, or at least delay it’s announcement for as long as possible.

Do not inform the people
Yes, that is exactly what they did. Why else were they arresting DOCTORS who were trying to raise this epidemic to authorities so as to get them to act?

do nothing to prevent the problem to expand?
Well, they didn’t “do nothing”, they arrested those who were trying to help raise awareness.
It was only after their Glorious Leader Winnie the Pooh decided that it was ok to respond that the Chinese government began to take any serious actions to address the outbreak.
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#213 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:03 am


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/worl ... china.html


Wuhan is told to round up infected residents for mass quarantine camps.



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Inside the exhibition center in Wuhan that now serves as a hospital.
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A senior Chinese official has ordered the authorities in the city of Wuhan to immediately round up all residents who have been infected with the coronavirus and place them in isolation, quarantine or designated hospitals.

Sun Chunlan, a vice premier tasked with leading the central government’s response to the outbreak that is centered in Wuhan, said city investigators should go to each home to check the temperatures of every resident and interview infected patients’ close contacts.

“Set up a 24-hour duty system. During these wartime conditions, there must be no deserters, or they will be nailed to the pillar of historical shame forever,” Ms. Sun said.

The city’s authorities have raced to meet these instructions by setting up makeshift mass quarantine shelters this week. The shelters are meant for coronavirus patients with milder symptoms, the government has said. But concerns are growing about whether the centers, which will house thousands of people in large spaces, will be able to provide even basic care to patients and protect against the risk of further infection.

According to a widely shared post on Weibo, a popular social media site, “conditions were very poor” at an exhibition center that had been converted into a quarantine facility. There were power failures and electric blankets could not be turned on, the user wrote, citing a relative who had been taken there, saying that people had to “shiver in their sleep.”

There was also a staff shortage, the post said, where “doctors and nurses were not seen to be taking note of symptoms and distributing medicine,” and oxygen devices were “seriously lacking.”
So.....let’s gather thousands of people who are showing mild symptoms of the illness, confine them to places with inadequate basic living conditions, without necessary medical supplies, and short staff the facility with medical staff who won’t follow basic medical standards. :roll:

This sounds like it has all the makings for success, right Nero?
Is this another example of the Chinese “doing better”?
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#214 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:56 am

Video with screenshot listed number of infected medical staff:



Leaked China CDC Screen Shows Infection Count of Medical Staff

45 confirmed and 599 suspected
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#215 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:32 pm

From CNN:
27 min ago
The Wuhan coronavirus has killed more people than the 2003 SARS outbreak

The global death toll from the Wuhan coronavirus is at least 805, surpassing the number of fatalities from the deadly 2003 SARS outbreak.

When severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) swept through the region, it infected more than 8,000 people and killed 774.

Like SARS, this latest outbreak is caused by a coronavirus, a family of viruses common to animals that range from the common cold, to more serious diseases, such as Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).

Both the SARS and Wuhan outbreaks started in China -- and both are believed to have originated from wild animal markets.
There are roughly 35,000 confirmed cases.
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#216 Post by jack t ripper » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:45 am

Good general discussion of present and future threats from Coronaviruses.

One common human Coronavirus emerged from cattle in the 119th century.

An antiviral drug used in MERS pneumonia with some benefit might help in Bat Soup Virus

https://www.wsj.com/articles/virus-in-c ... 1578692839
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#217 Post by jack t ripper » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:30 am

Make that 19th Century.

Just flew in to LAX (Los Angeles) yesterday from El Salvador. The customs section looks like the Star Wars bar scene on steroids and multiplied by a factor of 1000. Usually, the visa waiver countries get their own line and then the Americans and Canadians but everyone is thrown into one sausage machine to use the screening machines. Anyone speaking Chinese gets a wide birth.

Don't go there if you don't have to. :-)
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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#218 Post by NATO » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:18 pm

jack t ripper wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:30 am
Just flew in to LAX (Los Angeles) yesterday from El Salvador.
what were u doing in El Salvador? :shock: Isnt that a prime Trump shithole?

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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#219 Post by NATO » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:19 pm

NATO wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:18 pm
jack t ripper wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:30 am
Just flew in to LAX (Los Angeles) yesterday from El Salvador.
what were u doing in El Salvador? :shock: Isnt that a prime Trump-denominated shithole?

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Re: New China virus: Number of cases jumps as infection spreads to Beijing

#220 Post by chijohnaok » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:34 pm

NATO wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:18 pm
jack t ripper wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:30 am
Just flew in to LAX (Los Angeles) yesterday from El Salvador.
what were u doing in El Salvador? :shock: Isnt that a prime Trump shithole?
IIRC, Ripper volunteers for some sort of “doctors without borders”(not necessarily that specific program but something similar) thing and occasionally visits Central American countries to help treat children.
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