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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:34 pm 
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If you want to learn something about that area from someone besides Wulfir, I recommend this guys channel... A good natured Brit travelling about....

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxDZs_ ... FDHT6kmoXA


I've watched a number of his videos and they are entertaining.....and enlightening to the conditions out in the countryside.

Here is another interesting channel to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Moscowprepper

This is a Dane who has taken up residence far out in the Russian countryside.

As you see him trekking through the forests and to nearby villages you can get a better understanding for how inadequate much of the infrastructure is.
You will also get a better understanding for why the Wehrmacht's 'blitzkrieg' tactics on the Eastern Front were doomed from the start.

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Azerbaijan....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1sRFc5FiZA

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Under Putin history is a tool for 'Patriotic Education' and meant to ensure influence - the World War II cult is sacred, i.e. it's Stalin's version of that war that goes right now.

Putin has warned against "fake history" - meaning; to question Stalin's version is basically to betray the Motherland. :twisted:

Karascho Putin...


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:56 pm 
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nero wrote:
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Under Putin history is a tool for 'Patriotic Education' and meant to ensure influence - the World War II cult is sacred, i.e. it's Stalin's version of that war that goes right now.

Putin has warned against "fake history" - meaning; to question Stalin's version is basically to betray the Motherland. :twisted:

Karascho Putin...

Now Moscow Victory Museum has returned to old lies.

Музей Победы wrote:
"The Soviet-Finnish war began 80 years ago. It is also called "Winter war". In 105 days of armed conflict - hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded. The reason for the start was the shelling by Finnish artillery of the positions of Soviet troops."

https://twitter.com/muzeypobedy/status/ ... sr-right-d

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Ryssä on aina Ryssä vaikka voissa paistais' -- Finnish proverb.

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The current trend in Russian security policy indicates that the authoritarian policy at home and the anti-Western foreign policy will continue. We’re in for the long-haul of confrontation with the West,” says Dr Gudrun Persson, project manager and co-author. “We can also expect a recurrent use of armed force and other means to sustain its great power ambitions and protect Russian interests abroad.”

“Recognition as a great power and establishing a sphere of interest in its neighbourhood will remain Russia’s main objectives. Change can come quickly in a ten-year perspective. However, we cannot expect any precise signs in advance. It will also be difficult to obtain clear indications of an imminent conflict ahead of time,” Gudrun Persson underlines.


https://www.foi.se/en/foi/news-and-pressroom/news/2019-12-03-expect-russia-to-continue-throwing-its-military-weight-around-not-least-in-europe.html


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It's interesting when you watch that youtube channel how many times he meets refugees and people that had their lives destroyed by the breakup of the USSR.... Probably the greatest destruction of personal wealth since ww2...

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It's interesting when you watch that youtube channel how many times he meets refugees and people that had their lives destroyed by the breakup of the USSR.... Probably the greatest destruction of personal wealth since ww2...


"personal wealth"?

What personal wealth?

The "State" owned most everything.

My parent's families are from Communist Romania.
Their "personal wealth" consisted of their house, a barn, some chickens, a goat or two, and a cow and a couple water buffaloes, plus your clothes and such.
The house, barn and the small plot of land that it was on wasn't even theirs by title (they didn't hold a deed to it) but rather by possession. The state held title to all property (real estate, businesses, factories, farms, etc).

They didn't own the land that they were forced to farm since that was "collectivized" and owned by the state.

When they left Romania they got nothing for their homes since they did not hold title to it and could therefore not "sell" it to anyone. They simply left it behind.

And yes, I will agree that the economies in the USSR, and its satellites were dramatically impacted by the fall of the Iron Curtain.
Some people there may look back nostalgically on that era but for many they would never want to go back to living in such a totalitarian state.

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Well Chijohn..... that seems to be a pretty stereotypical simplification..... whether it was "Owned" or owned by the state.... it was still their personal dwelling and belongings and jobs and ....and ....and.... It all vanished overnight and countless small scale wars got fought..... watch a few more videos of his...... refugees in almost all of them living in squalid conditions..... and people reminiscing about the good old days.... that's a completely organic and a truthful image.... Not some calculated message from a former Dutch cold warrior...

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I think Gump's point is this: Never having a whole lot of personal wealth, they had a lot invested (in a personal sense) in the promise of state housing state pension and state subsistence subsidies. Under the old soviet model, in theory at least, a worker had a roof, three squares, and a retirement plan.

The breakup of the USSR basically disenfranchised most of the working class. Decades spent working for "the man" and zip to show for it.

It'd be analogous to the bullshit foisted on unionized American workers whose company pension plans were seized in corporate raids and converted into non-pension assets, while the pensioners received pennies on the dollar of the money and security owed to them.

Or, imagine if Uncle Sugar were to one day say "You know, this social security stuff, we can't affored to pay what we promised when we took that money from you for all those years, so you're on your own."

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Clearly... Watch that old guy in the Azerbaijan video.... wishing some day he could just go back and see his old place.... How he says that tells you much...

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