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 Post subject: The Russian View
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:50 am 
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The Motherland is not a state established by incorporated lands and peoples with somewhat dubious borders.

The Motherland is a singular state and is to be kept as a single unit. The Motherland is one of the leading powers in the world. Just the size in itself makes that a natural, just and necessary order.

The Russian experience through all history is that all human, and by extension all international relations, are based on the weaker part's subjection to the stronger. A feudal set-up.

No relations can be based on trust (except maybe that of the core family).

The justice system is based on power relations, not law texts.

Democracy and its idea of the influence of the people is fiction. It only masks the real conditions of power. All people are corrupt and dominated by the drive for self interest.

Everything that takes place in the world follows from actions in a struggle to extend and defend control over the power position given by geography and natural resources. This also includes movements that the participants themselves believe to be “by the people” or spontaneous.

There exists no true, lasting, common interests between states.

Advantages are achieved through reducing someone else. There is no win-win.

International rules are to be exploited to limit opponent states, but should not be allowed to function as a hindrance to Russian actions.


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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:56 am 
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Are you reflecting MAGA? :shock:

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Says the guy who hates Russians and is therefore an unreliable source.

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The Nordcuck fetish.

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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
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One can perhaps understand Russian fear of invasion from the West after Napolean, Crimea and 1941. ;)

Of course, they were players in Imperialism as well. An especially nasty version under Stalin and later.

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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
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The typical lament from the powerless, virtue signaling, peaceful Euroman. Russia is a powerful country because their people allow them to be. They’re not hamstrung by the socialist feminized cabal that have overcome most of Europe and Scandinavia.

People who fool themselves into believing that humans have somehow “evolved” beyond their innate desires are perhaps the most useful idiots of all...

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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
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wulfir wrote:
The Motherland is not a state established by incorporated lands and peoples with somewhat dubious borders.

The Motherland is a singular state and is to be kept as a single unit. The Motherland is one of the leading powers in the world. Just the size in itself makes that a natural, just and necessary order.

The Russian experience through all history is that all human, and by extension all international relations, are based on the weaker part's subjection to the stronger. A feudal set-up.

No relations can be based on trust (except maybe that of the core family).

The justice system is based on power relations, not law texts.

Democracy and its idea of the influence of the people is fiction. It only masks the real conditions of power. All people are corrupt and dominated by the drive for self interest.

Everything that takes place in the world follows from actions in a struggle to extend and defend control over the power position given by geography and natural resources. This also includes movements that the participants themselves believe to be “by the people” or spontaneous.

There exists no true, lasting, common interests between states.

Advantages are achieved through reducing someone else. There is no win-win.

International rules are to be exploited to limit opponent states, but should not be allowed to function as a hindrance to Russian actions.

So in your mind, only violence, aggressiveness and power rule for the Russians? But, again, why the end of the Eastern Bloc occured so peacefully in 1989, and why the Russian/USSR empire collapsed so peacefully in 1991. Russia was a colonial power, and if you compare it to the French colonial power for example, you see that the Russian empire ended peacefully, when there were wars for the French (Indochina, Algeria).


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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
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LaPalice wrote:
wulfir wrote:
The Motherland is not a state established by incorporated lands and peoples with somewhat dubious borders.

The Motherland is a singular state and is to be kept as a single unit. The Motherland is one of the leading powers in the world. Just the size in itself makes that a natural, just and necessary order.

The Russian experience through all history is that all human, and by extension all international relations, are based on the weaker part's subjection to the stronger. A feudal set-up.

No relations can be based on trust (except maybe that of the core family).

The justice system is based on power relations, not law texts.

Democracy and its idea of the influence of the people is fiction. It only masks the real conditions of power. All people are corrupt and dominated by the drive for self interest.

Everything that takes place in the world follows from actions in a struggle to extend and defend control over the power position given by geography and natural resources. This also includes movements that the participants themselves believe to be “by the people” or spontaneous.

There exists no true, lasting, common interests between states.

Advantages are achieved through reducing someone else. There is no win-win.

International rules are to be exploited to limit opponent states, but should not be allowed to function as a hindrance to Russian actions.

So in your mind, only violence, aggressiveness and power rule for the Russians? But, again, why the end of the Eastern Bloc occured so peacefully in 1989, and why the Russian/USSR empire collapsed so peacefully in 1991. Russia was a colonial power, and if you compare it to the French colonial power for example, you see that the Russian empire ended peacefully, when there were wars for the French (Indochina, Algeria).

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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
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The Russian view has been confirmed by history given the development during the last 30 years. What happened in the USSR/Russia from the middle of the 1980s and until about the year 2000 was humiliating, unnatural and disastrous.

The demise of the USSR and the weak sate of Russia was the result of a combination of foreign and domestic factors. Foreign in the form of American manipulation and domestic in the form of treacherous, or at least un-nationalistic, top level leadership. Ungratefulness and neofascism in minor populations (like in the Baltic states) also played a part in the catastrophic break-up of the USSR.

The Americans were behind it all. Through manipulation of the political process in the countries affected and caused the loss of the previous buffer zone of natural client states in Eastern Europe and parts of the previous USSR.

The Americans even managed to turn those former eastern European states against Russia. The Russians see all other than geostrategic arguments as sentimental nonsense.


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 Post subject: Re: The Russian View
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Late 2011 the USA was the force behind the violent demonstrations that flared up following the Duma election where Putin was elected president for a new period. The Russian leadership took this as an escalation to a de facto war with the goal of forcing a regime change.

Obama and his client states in the EU continued this “war by other means” against Russia in 2014 by continuing to steer Ukraine towards the west.


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