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 Post subject: Re: Pizzaman arrested
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:50 pm 
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I still don't get it.... she's 17 years old.... Half the hookers on the planet are probably 17 years old.... Unwitting sex with a 17 year old is not child molestation.... Granted there might have been other incidents that were beyond the pale... but this particular incident proves nothing to me.... Why doesn't he just say "she told me she was 19"... ??

I think the focus, at least over here, is on why Andrew had ties to someone who was convicted of being a sex offender at all. The interview he gave with Newsnight over it is being seen as a complete car-wreck, with Andrew coming off as arrogant and having no regrets at all about their relationship. He didn't even mention the girls who were Epstein's victims.

Some of his claims came off as just downright dodgy, especially the one where he said he couldn't recall spending the night with the girl and that her description of him "sweating profusely" was impossible because he had been left with a condition after he was shot at during the Falklands War that left him unable to sweat.

He also said that on the date Virginia Giuffre says he had sex with her - 10 March, 2001, he had taken his daughter to Pizza Express in Woking for a party before spending the night at home. Given the eurphirism for "Cheese Pizza" meaning Child Porn and #Pizzagate it seems rather ironic.


I would say for the average person, being able to conclusively remember where you were on March 10, 2001 would be near impossible.
That is unless there was some very extra-ordinary event that day...like a 9/11, the death of a relative, etc. or if you were someone like former US Senator Bob Graham (who kept a daily journal so detailed that he even kept track of his own bowel movements and their consistency)

On the other hand, he is British Royalty so it would seem plausible that there are staff people that keep track of that sort of thing (visitor logs, security logs, official calendars).

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 Post subject: Re: Pizzaman arrested
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:58 pm 
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He knows the photos are out there... to say they might be fake is incredibly stupid... Why not simply say that back in those days he partied hard with lots of different women. I barely recall her, but I know as a matter of principle I always asked girls their age. I'm certain she told me she was 19...… etc

If he did that when it all first came out he'd be completely off the hook.... yes maybe they could question his loyalty to a questionable friend... but little beyond that...

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He knows the photos are out there... to say they might be fake is incredibly stupid... Why not simply say that back in those days he partied hard with lots of different women. I barely recall her, but I know as a matter of principle I always asked girls their age. I'm certain she told me she was 19...… etc

If he did that when it all first came out he'd be completely off the hook.... yes maybe they could question his loyalty to a questionable friend... but little beyond that...


If I understand the laws (and it isn't like it is a topic on which I'm an expert! ;) ) simply asking "How old are you" is not sufficient. You need to card them, AND insure it isn't a fake idea. :P

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Even the church weighing in on Epstein's death:

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Epstein's guards have been charged with falsifying records...

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Two prison guards who were on duty on the night of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein's death have been charged with falsifying records.

They are accused of failing to check in on him every 30 minutes and fabricating log entries to show they had.

Epstein hanged himself in jail in August while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges.

The charges against the two guards are the first to arise from a criminal inquiry into his death.

Epstein had pleaded not guilty to sexually abusing dozens of girls, some as young as 14.

The 66 year old was already a convicted sex offender, having been jailed in Florida in 2008 for procuring a minor for prostitution.

They were supposed to check on Epstein every 30 minutes on the night of his death. He had been taken off suicide watch after a previous suspected attempt to take his own life and was alone in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York.

But attorney Geoffrey Berman said the two guards had "repeatedly failed to conduct mandated checks on inmates, and lied on official forms to hide their dereliction".

The guards were named in a statement by the Southern District of New York Attorney's Office on Tuesday as correctional officers Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, aged 31 and 41 respectively.

For "substantial portions" of their shifts, they "sat at their desk, browsed the internet, and moved around the common area", the statement said. They then signed "false certifications" showing that they had conducted counts of inmates.

Both men have been charged with "making false records and conspiring to make false records and to defraud the United States".

"We allege these officers falsified records to create the appearance they were following those protocols. The security risks created by this type of behaviour are immense," FBI assistant director William Sweeney said in the statement.

Surveillance footage showed that no other people had entered the area where Epstein was held that evening, the statement added.

Both guards were previously reported to have been working overtime shifts on the night of Epstein's death.

US Attorney General William Barr ordered their suspension in August after the FBI opened an investigation.

Federal prosecutors later offered the guards a plea bargain but they turned it down, according to the Associated Press news agency.

New York-born Epstein worked as a teacher before moving into finance. Prior to the criminal cases against him, he was best known for his wealth and high-profile connections.

He was often seen socialising with the rich and powerful, including US President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton and the UK's Prince Andrew.

Epstein was accused of paying girls under the age of 18 to perform sex acts at his Manhattan and Florida mansions between 2002 and 2005. He was arrested on 6 July.

He avoided similar charges in a controversial deal in 2008, pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50480172

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Prince Andrew has been cancelled...

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The Duke of York says he is stepping back from royal duties because the Jeffrey Epstein scandal has become a "major disruption" to the Royal Family.

Prince Andrew, 59, said he had asked the Queen for permission to withdraw for the "foreseeable future".

He said he deeply sympathised with sex offender Epstein's victims and everyone who "wants some form of closure".

The duke has faced a growing backlash following a BBC interview about his friendship with the US financier.

In a statement, he said: "I continue to unequivocally regret my ill-judged association with Jeffrey Epstein.

"His suicide has left many unanswered questions, particularly for his victims, and I deeply sympathise with everyone who has been affected and wants some form of closure.

"I can only hope that, in time, they will be able to rebuild their lives."

He added that he was "willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency with their investigations, if required".

BBC royal correspondent Jonny Dymond said the move was "a big step" and was "pretty much without precedent in modern times".

He said it showed a realisation that the interview had "upset a lot of people", adding: "It was more than just bad publicity for Prince Andrew, it was clearly damaging the wider institution of the Royal Family."

Earlier, a letter written to the Times newspaper by Buckingham Palace cast doubt on when the duke first met Epstein.

The 2011 letter says they met in the early 1990s, not in 1999 as Prince Andrew said in his BBC interview.

The letter was published after the Times reported on the existence of a photo of the prince with 17-year-old Virginia Giuffre, then known as Roberts, who would later testify that she had been forced to have sex with him.

The duke has always denied any form of sexual contact or relationship with her.

In his interview with the BBC's Newsnight on Saturday, the duke said he met Epstein "through his girlfriend back in 1999" - a reference to Ghislaine Maxwell, who had been a friend of Prince Andrew since she was at university.

The duke said he could not recall ever meeting Ms Giuffre and recalled that he went to Pizza Express in Woking and then returned home the night she claims they first met.

He sought to cast doubt on her testimony that he was "profusely sweating" in a nightclub, saying that a medical condition at the time meant he could not perspire.

The duke said meeting Epstein for a final time in 2010 was "the wrong decision", but said the "opportunities I was given to learn" about business meant he did not regret the friendship.

The duke's website says he carries out official duties for the Queen, focusing on promoting economic growth and skilled job creation.

Over the past two months he has carried out overseas engagements in Australia, United Arab Emirates and Thailand.

BT became the latest in a series of organisations to distance themselves from Prince Andrew, following the interview.

In a statement, the firm said it had been working with iDEA - which helps people develop digital, business and employment skills - since 2017 but "our dealings have been with its executive directors not its patron, the Duke of York".

"In light of recent developments we are reviewing our relationship with the organisation and hope that we might be able to work further with them, in the event of a change in their patronage," a spokeswoman said.

Standard Chartered Bank and KPMG also announced they were withdrawing support for the duke's business mentoring initiative Pitch@Palace. Sources told the BBC the decisions were made before the interview.

Four Australian universities also said they would not be continuing their involvement in Pitch@Palace Australia.

Prince Andrew cancelled a planned visit to flood-hit areas of Yorkshire on Tuesday, the Sun newspaper reported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50496539

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 Post subject: Re: Pizzaman arrested
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Andrew was told he would no longer to have any frontline duties representing the family. He was told he was to stand down immediately from his 200 charitable patronages. He was told that he would immediately lose his £250,000 per annum grant.



That’s quite a loss in the wallet.

Is he qualified to do anything else?
Does he have any other sort of job going for himself?

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Prince Andrew gets busted...

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New details surfaced Monday that could challenge Prince Andrew’s claims about his alleged relationship with former Jeffrey Epstein “sex slave” Virginia Roberts Giuffre.

The royal has insisted he doesn’t remember ever meeting Giuffre, who says she was sex-trafficked to Andrew by his sick pal Epstein in 2001.

An email from the prince shows Giuffre was at least on Andrew’s mind four years ago, the BBC said.

The UK broadcaster said it had a copy of an email sent “From: Duke of York” to pedophile Epstein’s socialite sidekick, Ghislaine Maxwell, in 2015. That’s the year Giuffre sued Maxwell for defamation amid Giuffre’s claims that Epstein raped and trafficked her.

“Let me know when we can talk. Got some specific questions to ask you about Virginia Roberts,” the prince allegedly wrote to Maxwell.

Maxwell responded, “Have some info. Call me when you have a moment,” the BBC said.

Prince Andrew said of Giuffre in an interview last month, “I have no recollection of meeting her.”

The UK broadcaster revealed the email during its aired interview with Giuffre, in which she called Andrew’s claims “ridiculous.”

The prince also has suggested that the now-infamous photo allegedly showing him with his arm around a then-17-year-old Giuffre in 2001 is fake — because he doesn’t hug in public. Giuffre claims that the photo was taken after the pair went clubbing in London, with Andrew sweating profusely all over her — while he has said that can’t be true because he couldn’t heavily perspire at the time thanks to an old war condition.

Other photos of the prince through the years have since surfaced showing him both engaged in PDAs with women and sweating heavily while out partying.

The BBC said it has an affidavit from Giuffre’s boyfriend in 2001 saying he saw the picture of her with the prince at the time and that she told him she was forced to have sex with the royal.

The photographer whom Giuffre allowed to snap a copy of the shot, making it public, added to the broadcaster, “There’s no way that photo is fake.

“It wasn’t like [Giuffre] pulled the photo of Prince Andrew out — it was just in amongst the rest of them. These were 5-by-7 photos that looked like they had come from [a London drug store], nothing more complicated than that. They were just typical teenage snaps.”

Buckingham Palace said in a statement to the BBC, “It is emphatically denied that The Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation.”

https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/email-fro ... a-giuffre/

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I would say for the average person, being able to conclusively remember where you were on March 10, 2001 would be near impossible.


I watched a cop show recently where they asked a suspect what he was doing on the night of a crime and he came back with a very detailed account of where, what and when.

So they asked him about another random night in the same time range. Suddenly, he was very vague. Which implies the first answer was a pre rehearsed alibi.

They should try that trick here. It's actually pretty clever, IMO.

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