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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1241 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:29 am

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Heard a discussion today about Pelosi trying to peel off some Republican Senators to change the rules that McConnell has proposed. That seems equally far-fetched, especially since he has proposed the exact same bipartisan rules adopted for Clinton's impeachment.
I also read somewhere that efforts are being made on the small coffee klatch of GOP Senators Murkowski, Collins, Romney and another whose name escapes me to adopt other rules.

The margins for things such as rule changes are razor thin (as I believe for anything outside the actual verdict decision they are majority+1, and the VP’s normal tie breaking vote is removed since he is a potential benefactor as the successor to an impeached President).
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1242 Post by jack t ripper » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:15 am

Guess how many Senators voted for the Clinton impeachment trial rules 21 years ago that MConnell wants to adopt for this trial?






100
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1243 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:37 am

jack t ripper wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:15 am
Guess how many Senators voted for the Clinton impeachment trial rules 21 years ago that MConnell wants to adopt for this trial?






100

And that is yet another factor that will blow up in Pelosi’s face.
IMHO she has so horribly miscalculated this “Impeachment to win 2020 election” strategy that the Trump victory margin will be greater in 2020 than it was in 2016.

The whining and gnashing of teeth by snowflake leftists will be even more epic than it was after the 2016 election.

I think at least this time all the attempts to sue to overturn the election in the courts, the scheming to convince the Electoral College members to vote different than how their voters did, etc. will be skipped.

Hopefully, the GOP will take back the House in 2020 (and hold it in 2022) so that impeachment efforts are stymied.

This will leave leftists with only street protests, blocking roadways, and bitching and griping in social media as their only outlet.
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1244 Post by jack t ripper » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:56 am

Trump won Alaska by 15 points in 2016. Murkowski isn't running again till 2022 but she only won her seat with 48% of the vote in 2016. Perhaps she is done with politics in 2022 but otherwise does anyone believe she is going to vote to convict Trump?

Doug Jones(D) from Alabama IS running again in 2020. Trump won Alabama by 18 points in 2016.You don't think he can do the math?

Trump won West Va by freaking 43 points in 2016. You don't think Manchin (D) from West Va knows that?
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1245 Post by jack t ripper » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:01 pm

And then there is the question of "impartiality"

5 Dem Senators are either STILL running or have tried to replace Trump in 2020 (Harris, Booker, chick from Minnesota, Fauxahontas, Bernie). They have ALL publicly announced how they will vote BEFORE any trial. Let's get real.
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1246 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:18 pm


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... anscripts/


GOP Rep: Democrats Still Withholding Secret Impeachment Transcripts


JOSHUA CAPLAN27 Dec 2019


Appearing Friday on the Fox News Channel, Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX) revealed House Democrats are still withholding transcripts of depositions conducted by the House Intelligence Committee inside Congress’s Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) as part of their impeachment inquiry.

A partial transcript is as follows:

ANCHOR: Democrats and Nancy Pelosi have said they are waiting on these articles to ensure there’s a fair trial in the Senate, but there have been a lot of other theories floated by Republicans, by folks from the other side of the aisle that think that Nancy Pelosi is stalling for all sorts of reasons. So I want to get your thoughts on why these articles are being held.

REP. MICHAEL BURGESS: My first take is that they’re holding the articles of impeachment because they really had nothing in the first place, so if they send them to the Senate and it crashes and burns, the president is exonerated and they did not accomplish what they set out to accomplish, which was to politically harm the president at the beginning of a political year.

ANCHOR: So you think they’re stalling, in essence, to continue digging, that they’re hoping they find something more?

REP. BURGESS: Look, they had all the tools at their disposal on the House side, they made it secret. They had armed guards outside the doors. They still haven’t made all of the transcripts available to members of Congress. And according to House rules, any committee hearing, the transcript is supposed to be available to other House members. But they have not done so, and no one has asserted that these are classified briefings. They were just simply secret hearings because it behooved the speaker to have secret hearings. That doesn’t pass muster. That’s not a constitutional part of the process.
Why haven’t House Dems released those transcripts to the public?

Hell, they have not even made them available to all House members....

Shouldn’t House members have had the opportunity to review that evidence BEFORE they voted on Articles of Impeachment?
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1247 Post by jack t ripper » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:29 pm

Because those witnesses offered exculpatory testimony. Can't have witnesses saying Trump did nothing wrong. It would confuse the public.
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1248 Post by Anthropoid » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:42 pm

Did she send the indictment over to McConnell yet? What is the actual breakdown on number of likely Yea or Nay votes in the Senate, should it ever get that far?

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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1249 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:47 pm

Pelosi is still sitting on the passed Articles of Impeachment.
No ETA for sending it to the Senate (maybe never).

I don’t know if there is an estimated Senate vote count.
A successful impeachment requires 67 votes.
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Re: Impeachment Watch

#1250 Post by Pollo_ensalada » Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:42 pm

Agree, John this going to be epic.

Not as good as the first time trump won. It's hard to repeate that. Everyone is predicting a slam dunk this time. Itd be a shock if he loses.

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