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 Post subject: Re: Impeachment Watch
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:15 pm 
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Jerry Nadler claims to have started the impeachment process, even though he does not have the authority to do so:

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Any function of impeachment under Article 1 requires a majority vote in the House approving such measures. Without that fail safe, any committee could abuse the impeachment process and the court system by simply declaring they’ve started impeachment proceedings. It’s unconstitutional.

Nadler, however, doesn’t appear to have the authority to launch a formal impeachment inquiry regardless of the case he makes to the court, Republicans said.

That power rests with the House, which must approve a formal Judiciary Committee impeachment probe by simple majority.

Collins, a GOP aide told the Washington Examiner, “does dispute Nadler’s assertion that the committee is currently conducting “formal impeachment proceedings. The House rules do require a formal vote in order for the committee to begin conducting a formal impeachment inquiry.”



https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/0 ... ngs-begun/


Well good luck with that! I'm sure that will convince the remaining ~27% of the American public who are on the fence to swing Democrat for 2020, "Orange Man Bad" and all that!

Morons just cannot help themselves it seems. Apparently they actually BELIEVE that appealing to the extreme pole on the spectrum is the way you win national level elections. Granted, it can work well for certain Congressional districts, or PERHAPS even at the state Senatorial level sometimes. But at the national level!? Is there a single example in American history where a candidate who made an overweening effort to alienate at least half if not 60%+ of the population actually won!?

What say you Nero, oh Scholarly gift to the Board with your exhaustive knowledge of American political history!?

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 Post subject: Re: Impeachment Watch
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And the Little Nadler that couldn't fails again:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge- ... ment-probe

Basically more Democratic judge shopping shot down by a real judge:

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A D.C. federal judge on Wednesday shot down an attempt by House Judiciary Committee Democrats to link their subpoena for former White House counsel Don McGahn to a separate request for secret grand jury information from the Russia investigation after the Justice Department accused them of trying to "game the system."

Normally cases are assigned to judges randomly, which the DOJ said is meant to keep parties from “attempting to game the system” by “shopping” for a judge they like. But in a Tuesday court filing, the department alleged the Democrat-controlled committee was trying to do exactly that by exploiting an exception that allows “related” cases to be heard by the same judge. In this case, the DOJ said the panel improperly sought to connect the McGahn case to the grand jury case simply because they're both part of their investigation of President Trump.

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The ONLY thing those two cases have in common is they are both fishing expeditions to harm Trump politically. I guess you could save on a fishing license and sea sick pills?

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The ONLY thing those two cases have in common is they are both fishing expeditions to harm Trump politically. I guess you could save on a fishing license and sea sick pills?

There is no need to harm Trump politically. He is doing it by himself much more efficiently than anyone else can, biggly. :lol:

Though he saved the Christmas. :lol:

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/ ... nt-1463467

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House Intel Committee could bolster Dem case for impeaching Trump

Democrats are using the House Intelligence Committee in an unprecedented way as they consider whether to remove the president.

By KYLE CHENEY and ANDREW DESIDERIO 08/16/2019 05:09 AM EDT

When Congress initiated impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon 45 years ago, the House Intelligence Committee didn’t exist.

Now, Democrats plan to use the panel — and its access to the nation’s most closely guarded counterintelligence secrets — to help guide a potential impeachment of President Donald Trump, according to Democratic aides.


The Intelligence Committee’s involvement could provide Democrats with more evidence against Trump that could strengthen their case against him.

The intelligence panel's role is a sign of the unprecedented nature of the questions surrounding Trump's relationship with Russia, as well as the uncharted territory House Democrats find themselves in as they consider whether to formally recommend Trump’s removal from office.

Typically, impeachment proceedings are the province of the House Judiciary Committee — and the panel, led by Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), has taken the lead in a nascent legal fight that its members say could lead to articles of impeachment. But Nadler isn’t going it alone.

Sources involved in the process say Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) signed off on the panel’s legal strategy and suggested approaches that would closely bind the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees together as the process unfolds. Allegations that Trump welcomed Russian interference in the 2016 election while pursuing a business deal in Moscow have taken center stage for Schiff's panel.

“In a case as unique as Trump, it is important to consider the totality of the evidence, including classified information,” said a source close to Schiff. “We’ve been working closely with the Judiciary Committee throughout this process and will continue to provide support as needed.”

A spokesman for California Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the Intelligence panel, did not respond to a request for comment. Schiff declined to comment for this story.

The relationship between the committees became clearest in the Judiciary Committee’s request last month for a federal judge to release reams of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s secret evidence, collected through the use of a grand jury. House lawyers have said the committees require this information to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment against Trump.

“In light of the nature of the special counsel’s investigation and [the House Intelligence Committee’s] jurisdiction over intelligence and counterintelligence-related matters,” the House’s grand-jury petition states, “the Judiciary Committee will seek [the Intelligence Committee’s] assistance in reviewing grand jury materials and other evidence and in assessing whether to recommend articles of impeachment against the president.”

Traditionally, an impeachment process has involved the public airing of allegations and evidence against a sitting president. But counterintelligence information, by its nature, is classified and cannot be publicly released or discussed — presenting lawmakers with a new challenge when making the public case for Trump’s ouster.

“The Constitution doesn’t contemplate the notion of having a classified portion of an impeachment process, and it would be political malpractice to try to pursue such a drastic remedy without fully informing the public of the complete factual record,” said Bradley Moss, a prominent national security attorney. “If articles of impeachment are pursued, the House will have to rely upon unclassified information or, as a last resort, use its own Article I authority to disclose otherwise classified information.”

Others noted that the House would have to weigh taking the extraordinary step of revealing classified information if it felt that information contained in secret files were crucial to prove their case.

"It's going to be a challenge because if they were to bring articles of impeachment and get to the point where there's a trial, ostensibly the president should be able to see all the evidence against him," said Asha Rangappa, a former FBI counterintelligence agent. "Are they willing to make that tradeoff? They would need to work with the CIA and allies to get particular sources to safety if they're human sources. They would have to be willing to dry up particular methods of collection because they would be getting exposed. That would be a decision they would need to make."

The committee has the option to disclose classified information, but it has only been used once in its history: under Nunes’ leadership, when his staff drafted a memo intended to cast doubt on the origins of the investigation of Russia’s links to the Trump campaign. The process, laid out in the House rules, allows lawmakers to reveal classified information if the full House deems it in the public interest, even over the objection of the president. But in Nunes’ case, Trump, over public protests of the FBI, ultimately opted to declassify the material.

Similarly, grand-jury evidence is sensitive and kept secret by law, with few exceptions. The Intelligence Committee is well suited to handle such materials, and its involvement could alleviate concerns about grand-jury information being leaked.

“The Intelligence Committee’s ability to handle high levels of classification — that’s what they’re designed to do. And because of that, what they can do is they can sign in and sign out anyone who needs to review it. They can create a record of who looks at the material,” said Mieke Eoyang, a former subcommittee staff director for the panel, adding: “We don’t people who have a history of dealing with this at a presidential level.”

One former Judiciary Committee official said the Intelligence Committee's involvement could assuage a court's concern about how grand jury information would be handled.

"It’s possible, but unproven, that this collaboration may give the legal arguments more jet fuel in the courts for grand jury document access," said Julian Epstein, who was on the Democratic staff of the Judiciary Committee during the Clinton impeachment process.


The Intelligence Committee, which was created as an outgrowth of the Watergate era to police the intelligence community, was never intended as a vehicle for impeachment. The process of drafting articles of impeachment is well outside the panel’s traditional jurisdiction. But in this unique case, Schiff’s committee would review the sensitive grand-jury information related to volume one of Mueller’s report, which details Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.

In addition, the panel could provide Nadler’s staff with documents and testimony gleaned as part of its own probes and its general oversight of the intelligence community. The Intelligence Committee — first under Republican leadership in 2017 and then Democratic leadership this year — conducted dozens of interviews with witnesses connected to the Mueller investigation.

Schiff has remained aligned with Speaker Nancy Pelosi in opposing a formal impeachment inquiry, opting to rely on the evidence-gathering process to guide lawmakers. But in signing off on the Judiciary Committee’s court filings and actively suggesting language to bolster its legal arguments, the chairman could be signaling a shift.

In an MSNBC interview last week, Schiff said the House could move forward with articles of impeachment as soon as fall if the White House continues to stonewall congressional inquiries to the point of dragging out the various court fights.

“If the litigation takes too long — that is, if they are able to legally string this out too long — we will have to make a judgment about whether to go forward with articles of impeachment, even in the absence of being able to bring these witnesses in and obtain these documents, because the obstruction of Congress itself will have risen to that level,” Schiff said.


This is what the House Intelligence Committee is supposed to do:
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It is the primary committee in the U.S. House of Representatives charged with the oversight of the United States Intelligence Community, though it does share some jurisdiction with other committees in the House, including the Armed Services Committee for some matters dealing with the Department of Defense and the various branches of the U.S. military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... telligence

It is NOT supposed to be used as part of a political witchhunt of members of the opposition party.

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 Post subject: Re: Impeachment Watch
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Oh, right...and during a year long FBI investigation and a 2 year Mueller investigation NOBODY thought to review classified information. It's ludicrous on its face. Maybe they can find out who lied to the FISA curt.

If I never have to listen to Adam Schiff again it will be too soon.

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Maybe they can find out who lied to the FISA curt.



That would require the House Intel Committee to do it's stated job: making sure the secret actions of the Intel community doesn't overstep it's bounds.

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Sort of quiet on the impeachment front.....maybe Nancy is a better rower than the rest?

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Sort of quiet on the impeachment front.....maybe Nancy is a better rower than the rest?

Articles of impeachment != impeachment inquiry.

Nadler has already declaring that he is doing an impeachment inquiry. And that Schiff crossing the red line and asks DB for Trump's financial transactions is an impeachment inquiry in practice.

It seems that I can save my merino wool long johns. :)

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For 2 1/2 years they got under Trump's skin (and abridged the Constitutional rights of numerous Americans) with the completely fabricated Russia, Russia, Russia story. The FBI realized it was bullshit even before the FISA warrants. The Mueller team confirmed it was bullshit early in their investigation but, of course, they declined to confirm that publicly because they were TRYING to massage an obstruction of justice case even though there was no underlying crime and THAT didn't even work. Is there any doubt that Comey needed to be fired? The IG narrowly declined to prosecute him.

Schiff is a gonadless eunuch POS. Nadles is equally nadless. They have worked their World War Z supporters into a froth and now somebody has to keep up the pretense or it would be the word's largest case of coitus interruptus.

Pelosi has to run herd on the Leftist cats to keep them from shitting all over the House. She has the internal polling and focus group data which shows Americans would punish a clearly politically motivated impeachment (which it would obviously be)

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