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 Post subject: Re: Official Donald Trump Gaffe Thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:39 pm 
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Do you suppose if Nero was American he would post all day about shifty the Finnish leader was?

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Mac wrote:
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Joe Biden is the last candidate in my list. ;)

Who's your first?

Pocahontas.

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nelmsm wrote:
Do you suppose if Nero was American he would post all day about shifty the Finnish leader was?

Just today Helsinky Sanomanski published the latest approval rating of our president Sauli Niinistö, 90%.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:46 am 
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nero would vote to reelect president Trump. I never thought nero is a dumbass, he just looks at things differently. It's b/c he wasn't fortunate to be born a Common Wealth or US citizen. If he was a American he'd definitely be wearing a MAGA hat to cover that bald head of his.

I doubt that. There many reasons not to do so. ;)

But I like your attitude: that those think differently than you are not automatically your enemies.

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Never fucking heard of him. He could be Albert Turing, Babe Ruth and Pablo Picasso wrapped up in one mortal and he still wouldn't matter one bit

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:50 am 
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Never fucking heard of him. He could be Albert Turing, Babe Ruth and Pablo Picasso wrapped up in one mortal and he still wouldn't matter one bit

I trust you.



WTF (welcome to Finland). :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: SharpieGate
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The recent development in the sharpiegate. Commerce secretary orders NOAA in line, you either write what the President likes or...

Christopher Flavelle, Lisa Friedman and Peter Baker wrote:
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Commerce Chief Threatened Firings at NOAA After Trump’s Dorian Tweets, Sources Say

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WASHINGTON — The Secretary of Commerce threatened to fire top employees at the federal scientific agency responsible for weather forecasts last Friday after the agency’s Birmingham office contradicted President Trump’s claim that Hurricane Dorian might hit Alabama, according to three people familiar with the discussion.

That threat led to an unusual, unsigned statement later that Friday by the agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, disavowing the National Weather Service’s position that Alabama was not at risk. The reversal caused widespread anger within the agency and drew accusations from the scientific community that the National Weather Service, which is part of NOAA, had been bent to political purposes.

NOAA’s statement on Friday is now being examined by the Commerce Department’s Office of Inspector General, according to documents reviewed by The New York Times, and employees have been asked to preserve their files. NOAA is a division of the Commerce Department.

The National Weather Service “must maintain standards of scientific integrity,” the inspector general, Peggy E. Gustafson, wrote in a message to NOAA staff members in which she requested documents related to Friday’s statement. The circumstances, she wrote, “call into question the NWS’s processes, scientific independence, and ability to communicate accurate and timely weather warnings and data to the nation in times of national emergency.”

The Commerce Department disputed the account on behalf of the Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur L. Ross Jr. “Secretary Ross did not threaten to fire any NOAA staff over forecasting and public statements about Hurricane Dorian,” the department said in a statement issued by a spokesman.

The spokesman declined to comment on whether Mr. Ross had spoken with the NOAA administrator or ordered the agency to rebut the statement contradicting the president’s assertion about a threat to Alabama.

The Commerce Department’s Office of the Inspector General did not respond to requests for comment late Monday.

The accusations against Mr. Ross are the latest developments in a political imbroglio that began more than a week ago, when Dorian was bearing down on the Bahamas and Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter that Alabama would be hit “harder than anticipated.” A few minutes later, the National Weather Service in Birmingham, Ala., posted on Twitter that “Alabama will NOT see any impacts from Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane Dorian will be felt across Alabama.”

Mr. Trump persisted in saying that Alabama was at risk and a few days later, on Sept. 4, he displayed a NOAA map that appeared to have been altered with a black Sharpie to include Alabama in the area potentially affected by Dorian. (Alabama was not struck by the hurricane.)

Mr. Ross, the commerce secretary, intervened two days later, early last Friday, according to the three people familiar with his actions. Mr. Ross phoned Neil Jacobs, the acting administrator of NOAA, from Greece where the secretary was traveling for meetings and instructed Dr. Jacobs to fix the agency’s perceived contradiction of the president.

Dr. Jacobs objected to the demand and was told that the political staff at NOAA would be fired if the situation was not fixed, according to the three individuals, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the episode.

The political staff at an agency typically includes a handful of top officials, such as Dr. Jacobs, and their aides. They are appointed to their jobs by the administration currently in power, as opposed to career government employees, who remain in their jobs as administrations come and go.

NOAA ultimately issued an unsigned statement last Friday calling the Birmingham office’s statement “inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.”

A senior administration official who asked not to be identified when discussing internal deliberations said that the Birmingham office had been wrong and that NOAA had simply done the responsible thing and corrected the record.

That official suggested the Twitter post by the Birmingham forecasters had been motivated by a desire to embarrass the president more than concern for the safety of people in Alabama. The official provided no evidence to support that conclusion.

Craig N. McLean, NOAA’s acting chief scientist, sent an email to staff members Monday notifying the agency that he was looking into “potential violations” in the agency’s decision to ultimately back Mr. Trump’s statements rather than those of its own scientists. He called the agency’s action “a danger to public health and safety.”

Also on Monday, the National Weather Service director, Louis W. Uccellini, prompted a standing ovation at a weather industry conference in Huntsville, Ala., when he praised the work of the Birmingham office, asked them to stand and said staff members had acted “with one thing in mind, public safety” when they contradicted Mr. Trump’s claim that Alabama was at risk.

Dr. Jacobs is scheduled to address the conference Tuesday morning.

The NOAA episode is the latest example of administration officials moving levers of government to accommodate Mr. Trump’s statements. And few cabinet officials have been as loyal to Mr. Trump as Mr. Ross.

A billionaire investor, former steel magnate and friend and ally of Mr. Trump from the business world before joining the cabinet, Mr. Ross has in the past vigorously sought to advance divisive positions at the Commerce Department in support of policies advocated by Mr. Trump. He fought to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census, only to lose in a stinging Supreme Court rebuke. He has also stood by the president on controversial decisions such as imposing tariffs on aluminum exports.

Mr. Trump himself has shown less deference than his predecessors to the traditional boundaries between the political and Civil Service sides of the government. Most notably, he has repeatedly called on the Justice Department to investigate his enemies.

In the NOAA dispute, Mr. Trump has also enlisted his Homeland Security adviser to issue a lengthy statement defending him.

The dispute at NOAA is also one of several instances of the Trump administration taking actions that undermine scientific findings. In the past, administration officials have tried to prevent a State Department official from testifying to Congress on climate-change science, and have tried to make changes to the standards used in government climate-change reports in a way that makes the threat from global warming appear less severe.

Richard Hirn, general counsel for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, said what made the NOAA episode extraordinary, though, was that it was not part of an overarching policy dispute on a contentious topic like climate change. “This is just to cover up an embarrassing mistake the president made,” he said.

Mr. Hirn, who said he has worked with the agency through six administrations, added that, “Never before has anybody tried to politicize the weather in all the administrations I’ve worked with.”

Noah Bookbinder, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a nonpartisan watchdog group, said that political appointees served at the pleasure of the president and the cabinet secretary and could be fired at will. But, he said, threatening to fire staff members under these circumstances “goes against the norms and traditions that have been important to the government and are important to a functioning democracy.”

Seems that you have your tinpot dictatorship already installed. :roll:

And Rachel can tell more...


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 Post subject: Re: Official Donald Trump Gaffe Thread
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:53 am 
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It is reasonable to expect employees of the federal government to not PURPOSELY undercut the POTUS.

There are Resist! moles in every federal agency. CIA, FBI, State Dept, National Park Service, 9th District. The only difference at NOAA is they can't do wiretaps.

Consider the massive conspiratorial lie over the Benghazi attack. This involved the WH, State Dept, DOD, UN Ambassador, CIA, Secret Service and even the DOJ (which indicted the producer of the video that allegedly caused the attack). Nobody leaked...out of many dozens of people in the know, perhaps even 100+.

The only critics were the CIA security detail (the ones still alive) and some of the Ambassador's emails from the grave.

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jack t ripper wrote:
It is reasonable to expect employees of the federal government to not PURPOSELY undercut the POTUS.

There are Resist! moles in every federal agency. CIA, FBI, State Dept, National Park Service, 9th District. The only difference at NOAA is they can't do wiretaps.

Consider the massive conspiratorial lie over the Benghazi attack. This involved the WH, State Dept, DOD, UN Ambassador, CIA, Secret Service and even the DOJ (which indicted the producer of the video that allegedly caused the attack). Nobody leaked...out of many dozens of people in the know, perhaps even 100+.

The only critics were the CIA security detail (the ones still alive) and some of the Ambassador's emails from the grave.

Uh, oh.

When the amateur meteorologist, the Chosen One warns the Alabamians for the coming hurricane the NWS in Birmingham Alabama had to tell that there was no hurricane threatening Alabama.

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Was that disloyal? NOT.

The weathermen were doing their job. And is giving wrong weather reports federal crime anyway?

But Trump can not leave it, tweets dozen of times, draws a fake weather map. And finally sends his minion to strong arm the NOAA directors to issue an obscure message.

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But you are so sucked in the Trump hole that your head is inside the Trumpshild radius that determines the event horizon so that you have lost your connection to the real world. ;)

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There will be a rude awakening for you. ;)

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As per what you have already been informed of by ppl who live here, nero: the storm track at that time could very well have crossed FL and hit AL. But you're so much smarter than everyone else that you prefer truth over facts don't you. What a genius.

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