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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:38 pm 
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Dead in cars and homes: Northern California fire toll at 29
By GILLIAN FLACCUS and DON THOMPSON | Associated Press
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Leveled residences line a block following the Camp Fire in Paradise, Calif., on Monday, Nov. 12, 2018. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)
Leveled residences line a block following the Camp Fire in Paradise, Calif., on Monday, Nov. 12, 2018. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)
PARADISE, Calif. – The dead were found in burned-out cars, in the smoldering ruins of their homes, or next to their vehicles, apparently overcome by smoke and flames before they could jump in behind the wheel and escape. In some cases, there were only charred fragments of bone, so small that coroner's investigators used a wire basket to sift and sort them.

At least 29 people were confirmed dead in the wildfire that turned the Northern California town of Paradise and outlying areas into hell on earth, equaling the deadliest blaze in state history, and the search for bodies continued Monday.


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Nearly 230 people were unaccounted for by the sheriff's reckoning, four days after the fire swept over the town of 27,000 and practically wiped it off the map with flames so fierce that authorities brought in a mobile DNA lab and forensic anthropologists to help identify the dead.

Meanwhile, a landowner near where the blaze began, Betsy Ann Cowley, said she got an email from Pacific Gas & Electric Co. the day before the fire last week telling her that crews needed to come onto her property because the utility's power lines were causing sparks. PG&E had no comment on the email, and state officials said the cause of the inferno was under investigation.

As the search for victims dragged on, friends and relatives of the missing called hospitals, police, shelters and the coroner's office in hopes of learning what became of their loved ones. Paradise was a popular retirement community, and about a quarter of the population was over 65.

Tad Teays awaited word on his 90-year-old dementia-stricken mother. Darlina Duarte was desperate for information about her half-brother, a diabetic who was largely housebound because he had lost his legs. And Barbara Hall tried in vain to find out whether her aunt and the woman's husband, who are in their 80s and 90s, made it out alive from their retirement community.

"Did they make it in their car? Did they get away? Did their car go over the edge of a mountain somewhere? I just don't know," said Hall, adding that the couple had only a landline and calls were not going through to it.

Megan James, of Newfoundland, Canada, searched via Twitter from the other side of the continent for information about her aunt and uncle, whose house in Paradise burned down and whose vehicles were still there. On Monday, she asked on Twitter for someone to take over the posts, saying she is "so emotionally and mentally exhausted."

"I need to sleep and cry," James added. "Just PRAY. Please."

The blaze was part of an outbreak of wildfires on both ends of the state. Together, they were blamed for 31 deaths, including two in celebrity-studded Malibu in Southern California, where firefighters appeared to be gaining ground against a roughly 143-square-mile (370-square-kilometer) blaze that destroyed at least 370 structures, with hundreds more feared lost.

Some of the thousands of people forced from their homes by the blaze were allowed to return, and authorities reopened U.S. 101, a major freeway through the fire zone in Los Angeles and Ventura counties.

Malibu celebrities and mobile-home dwellers in nearby mountains were slowly learning whether their homes had been spared or reduced to ash.

All told, more 8,000 firefighters statewide were battling wildfires that scorched more than 325 square miles (840 square kilometers), the flames feeding on dry brush and driven by blowtorch winds.

In Northern California, fire crews still fighting the blaze that obliterated Paradise contended with wind gusts up to 40 mph (64 kph) overnight, the flames jumping 300 feet across Lake Oroville. The fire had grown to 177 square miles (303 square kilometers) and was 25 percent contained, authorities said.

There were tiny signs of some sense of order returning to Paradise and also anonymous gestures meant to rally the spirits of firefighters who have worked in a burned-over wasteland for days.

Large American flags stuck into the ground lined both sides of the road at the town limits, and temporary stop signs appeared overnight at major intersections. Downed power lines that had blocked roads were cut away, and crews took down burned trees with chain saws.

The 29 dead in Northern California matched the deadliest single fire on record, a 1933 blaze in Griffith Park in Los Angeles. A series of wildfires in Northern California's wine country last fall killed 44 people and destroyed more than 5,000 homes.

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Contributing to this report were Associated Press writers Janie Har and Daisy Nguyen in San Francisco; Paul Elias and Martha Mendoza in Chico, California; and Andrew Selsky in Salem, Oregon.

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So what is the source/cause of this round of fires? Just natural cause or what?

Do they never do controlled burns in any of these areas to reduce the risks of these wildfires?

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Anthropoid wrote:
So what is the source/cause of this round of fires? Just natural cause or what?



I saw some news reports (and this might have been in reference to another California fire so don’t take this as gospel) but supposedly, the day before the fire(s) started a warning email was sent out to customers by the electric utility (PG & E I think) to be on alert for some transformers that were ‘sparking’. And I read somewhere that lawsuit(s) have been filed against the utility.

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Here is a news article discussing the origins/responsibility for the fires:

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Who or What Is Really Responsible for the Huge Forest Fires in California?

Bruce Bialosky Bruce Bialosky |Posted: Nov 18, 2018 12:01 AM



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“Forests are overstocked. There are more trees than 100 years ago.” He went on to say that part of the problem was the Forest Service’s good work in the recent past stopping forest fires. This meant, however, that their focus was largely directed away from forest maintenance, which caused the elements that fuel a fire like underbrush, dead trees or more density to occur.

The changes French would like to see would be more active forest clearance and clearance of the underbrush. He also wants to do more controlled fires when the risks are minimized. If you are wondering why they are not doing that now it is because of budget restraints . . .


Right. Sort of what I expected.

Like I've said many times on here: if Obama wanted to "promote the environment" instead of shilling cash to hair-brained "green energy" schemes, he should have set up a conservation focused National Service system which outgoing High School or College graduates (or anyone with at least a GED) could sign up for. Get several million workers along the lines of the CCC, consult with the actual forest management bureaus about what is needed (in the South kudzu elimination would come well above controlled burns, but thinning the overgrown forests probably wouldn't hurt either).

An armed segment of this National Conservation Service would go out and hunt feral invasive species ranging all the way from swallows up to hogs . . . Only problem with all of these actual pragmatic environmental agendas: no bucks to be made in it.

The environmentalist movement was fucking hijacked by scheisters . . .

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Of course, that DOES NOT explain the Malibu/Thousand Oaks fire. It's not a dense forest like in Butte County.

In regard to Paradise, the Butte County Grand Jury issued a report some time ago warning of PRECISELY this scenario and noting the extreme limitations for evacuation from Paradise. There are only 2 realistic ways in and out and the fire is more than likely to close one option immediately.

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I think the answer is very simple.... human population.... If you add millions and millions of rolls of the dice every year sooner or later somebody is going to "start a fire".... whether it's an electrical worker or a camper or an arsonist... add to that the population density where that fire will occur and you have "more dangerous fires".... you don't need global warming..... the problem is global schtupping….

The current population is double what it was in 1967...

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Environmentalists would rather see the forest burn than allow lumberjacks to harvest trees. This when we are importing lumber from Canada and South America.

Note this shit don't happen in the ignorant south.

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