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#231 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:04 am

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/pol ... -over-city

Hong Kong elections: pro-democracy camp wins 17 out of 18 districts while city leader says she will reflect on the result

Tsunami of disaffection washes over city as pro-Beijing camp left reeling by record turnout and overwhelming defeat
Result set to give pan-democrats increase in seats on committee that chooses city’s chief executive


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Published: 7:33am, 25 Nov, 2019
That article continued at above link.

I was trying to find updated results...might have found something more definitive at Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong ... _elections

The 2019 Hong Kong District Council elections were held on 24 November 2019 for all 18 District Councils of Hong Kong, the sixth term since the handover.[2] 452 members from all directly elected constituencies were to be returned out of the total 479 seats.

Nearly three million people, over 70 percent of the registered voters, voted, as the election was seen as a referendum on the ongoing pro-democracy protest.[3] The pro-democrats delivered the biggest landslide in the history of Hong Kong, seizing control of 17 of the 18 District Councils, tripling their seats from about 124 to 389, and would be able to capture the 117 seats in the Election Committee District Council subsectors which was responsible for electing the Chief Executive.

Pro-Beijing parties and independents won only 61 seats, a loss of 242 seats. The flagship pro-Beijing party Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB) received its largest defeat in history, losing nearly a hundred seats, while Regina Ip's New People's Party was completely wiped out. A dozen of prominent pro-Beijing heavyweights lost re-election, including Junius Ho, who was a key anti-protest figure who was stabbed by a man posing as a supporter[4], Ho allegedly supported the Yuen Long attack.[5][6]
Winnie the Pooh’s allies got their asses handed to them... :lol:

There was a huge voter registration effort put into this election by the pro-democracy forces; a record turnout; and a historic landslide.

This will probably not change much though since the Hong Kong Chief Executive is not directly elected by this Council.
Still, it does send a message, and Xi has been embarrassed.

From what I read in an article, Xi has consolidated power to himself, meaning that it would be difficult for him to deflect blame elsewhere for this debacle.
What do the rest (non-HK) of Chinese People take away from this?
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#232 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:34 am

A snippet from another article regarding this election:

A word of caution before too many champagne bottles are popped over the Hong Kong election results. The District Council offices are advisers to the Hong Kong government and do not have a major hand in putting together policy. The role appears similar to that of a County Clerk and Recorder in America.

It will be next year during the Legislative Council election when Hongkongers could send an even bigger message to Beijing. The council has an actual role in determining policy although China still enjoys a bit of a heavier hand.
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#233 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:50 pm

I know that everyone will the SHOCKED to hear this, but there is corruption in China.....



Winston's story actually reminds me of a story that my father once told me.

Within months after he arrived as an immigrant to the US (this was in the mid 1960s) he wanted to get a drivers license and a car (it made getting to work easier/more convenient).
When he came here he could speak fluent German and Romanian, and a bit of Hungarian. This of course would do him no good with the written test on the driver's examination (this was before the DMVs started catering to non-English speakers by implementing the tests in other languages). Dad was going to night school taking ESL (English as a second language) courses but his English was by no means fluent yet.

Dad's older brother who had immigrated to the US about 10 years earlier referred him to a guy to help out. This guy ran a travel agency in Chicago that catered to German speakers. The guy also ran a driving school (that catered to German-speakers) as a side business out of the same office. So dad signed up for some driving lessons. He took some practical driving sessions with the guy and also studied the DMV driving handbook. The day for his exam came around. Dad went to the DMV testing facility with the travel agent/driving instructor guy. Dad first did the auto driving portion with a DMV tester and passed that portion. The travel agent/drive instructor then took him indoors and escorted him up to one of the written test administrators. The guy explained to the test administrator that "This guy knows all this and doesn't need to take a written test". And sure enough, the DMV tester gave my dad a "pass" on the written portion---dad walked out with his drivers license.

So you may ask----"how the f*ck did that happen?"
Well, this was Chicago, the mecca of government corruption...the travel agent guy apparently greased the palm of the DMV written test administrator in advance.
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#234 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:11 pm

A line that I saw posted on a blog provides a pretty good summation for how things are going in Hong Kong:
Hong Kong: "Small Group of Rioters" amounts to an electoral landslide.
Xi, the Chinese government and the pro-regime media have been trying to paint the protest in Hong Kong as being the work of a "Small Group of Rioters".
The outcome of Sunday's election clearly paints a different picture.
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#235 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:19 pm

Here is how the China News Service (ECNS.cn) reported the election results:

http://www.ecns.cn/news/politics/2019-1 ... 6991.shtml
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This article lists that the results are in, that both the voter turnout rate and # of voters reached record highs.

Does anyone notice what was NOT mentioned?

:lol:

PS: this might shed some light on things:
The China News Service (simplified Chinese: 中国新闻社; traditional Chinese: 中國新聞社; pinyin: Zhōngguó Xīnwénshè) is the second largest state-owned news agency in China, after the Xinhua News Agency. China News Service was formerly run by the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office, which was absorbed into the United Front Work Department of Communist Party of China in 2018.[1][2] Its operations are directed at overseas Chinese worldwide and residents of Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan.
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#236 Post by jack t ripper » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:12 pm

they left out the anti-Beijing landslide results. :lol:
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#237 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:15 pm

jack t ripper wrote:they left out the anti-Beijing landslide results. :lol:

Yeah....they missed that one "minor" detail.
It was probably an error by the editor or something. :roll:
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#238 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:39 am

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/11/h ... cracy-act/
Hong Kong protesters wave American flags, thank Trump for signing Human Rights & Democracy Act


Posted by Leslie Eastman Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 8:00pm
In response, China summoned U.S. Ambassador Terry Branstad to demand that US stop interfering with their internal affairs.

President Donald Trump has signed the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which is aimed at ensuring that Hong Kong has sufficient autonomy from China by tying the city’s liberty to trading terms with the United States.


Hong Kong residents, which recently voted in a suite of pro-Democracy candidates to key positions in district councils, waved American fans in thanksgiving for the important sign of support from this county.

Protesters in Hong Kong will hold a celebratory, pro-US rally Thursday after President Donald Trump gave them what one prominent activist termed a “timely Thanksgiving present.”

Trump signed an act in support of the protest movement despite a potential backlash from Beijing that could derail delicate US-China trade talks, after it was passed almost unanimously by both houses of Congress.

Anti-government protesters in the semi-autonomous Chinese city have long campaigned in favor of the bill — which would permit Washington to impose sanctions or even suspend Hong Kong’s special trading status over rights violations. Trump’s decision to sign the act gives the movement a second major symbolic victory in a matter of days.




This Thanksgiving, I am grateful that we have foreigners who want to wave the American flag instead of burn it.
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Hong Kong Thanksgiving and "Thank you" USA rally was held at Edinburgh Place this evening; although it was planned early last weekend, the event coincided with President Trump signing the #HKHumanRightsandDemocracyAct
Estimated crowd was 10,000

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Some signs even included a snarky slam to recent media hysterics.



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Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving!

Here's the story from Hong Kong, have a smile! (From Daily Caller)

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Meanwhile, the Chinese Panda is howling over the move…yet is still moving forward with trade talks.


China vented on Thursday after President Trump signed new human rights legislation covering the protest-wracked city of Hong Kong. It denounced the new law as illegal interference in its own affairs. It summoned the American ambassador [Terry Branstad] for the second time in a week. It vowed retaliation.

The threats sounded severe. They also sounded empty.

Behind the harsh rhetoric, China has few options for striking back at the United States in a meaningful way. And it has bigger priorities — namely, ending the increasingly punishing trade war between the two countries. Though both sides are talking about their willingness to reach a deal, they have yet to sign even an interim pact that would head off potentially damaging new tariffs less than three weeks from now.

On Thursday, Beijing’s main agency on trade remained quiet on the legislation even as other officials railed against it, suggesting that the government remained open to a trade deal and would let the volatile issue of Hong Kong simmer, at least for now.


Hopefully, the Act and the support of America’s representatives will be such that Hong Kong’s citizens will have reason to give thanks next Thanksgiving as well.

The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act mandates sanctions on Chinese and Hong Kong officials who carry out human rights abuses and requires an annual review of the favorable trade status that Washington grants Hong Kong.

Another bill prohibits export to Hong Kong police of certain nonlethal munitions, including tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, water cannons, stun guns and tasers.

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Re: PROBLEMS IN CHINA

#239 Post by Anthropoid » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:06 pm

Remember all those times I said China is a paper tiger and that civil unrest or maybe even civil war were in her future? ;)

Anthrostrodamus foretells much . . . :lol:

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#240 Post by Anthropoid » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:44 pm

I have been increasingly concerned about China since it became clear Xi was no reformer after all. Over the years I've sampled a few Sino experts who led me to my conclusion that China is the biggest threat to humanity and a truly worrisome, 'evil' regime as Dr. Waldron puts it. It is edifying to see that there are still open, critical thinkers left in American academia and to have my own appraisal of the China situation almost completely confirmed by this expert.

At about 13:05 he comments on how the Communists have created a bed of their own problems and then goes on to say, in effect PRC of today is the "most evil regime, setting aside the Soviet Union, since the 3rd Reich." Pretty much what I had been inreasingly suspecting. The numbers of victims of the two genocide streams he describes are rather shocking.

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