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 Post subject: Nearly 10% of Health Spending Due to Obesity, Report Says
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:48 pm 
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So, this seems like a fast way to cut the fat (pun intended):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124869340217883455.html

It also a good argument for the corn syrup tax.

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WASHINGTON -- New research shows medical spending averages $1,400 more a year for an obese person than for someone who's normal weight.

Overall obesity-related health spending reaches $147 billion, double what it was nearly a decade ago, says the study published Monday by the journal Health Affairs.

The higher expense reflects the costs of treating diabetes, heart disease and other ailments far more common for the overweight, concluded the study by government scientists and the nonprofit research group RTI International.

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AngryOldMan wrote:

It also a good argument for the corn syrup tax.


Or yet higher premiums for those who are obese.


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It also a good argument for the corn syrup tax.


Or yet higher premiums for those who are obese.


That makes a lot of sense too. Although, it may conflict with the idea of not limiting coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

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If the order of additional cost is 10% then they already pay higher premiums.
At least that is how it is for smokers

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We can just put anyone the government deems to be over weight into concentration camp style fat farms where calories are restricted and they pull plows...maybe Pol Pot was unto something with his "reforms".

Then again, children require more care than the average too...they may have to be eliminated.

Might have to kill off anybody with weak eyesight...the cost of glasses and contacts just adds up.

Perhaps we could tax/sanction/cull anyone who isn't the vision of the Aryan ubermensch.

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AngryOldMan wrote:

That makes a lot of sense too. Although, it may conflict with the idea of not limiting coverage based on pre-existing conditions.


As I understood it the legislation says insurers can't deny coverage, doesn't say anything about them not being able to charge more.

The idea has been bandied about recently, though in a sort of round-ab-out way:

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Last August, Alabama became the first state to approve charging obese workers more if they don’t slim down.

State employees there will have to pay $25 more monthly, starting January 2010, if they don’t have free health screenings. If the screenings turn up serious problems with blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose or obesity, then employees will have one year to improve their health. If they do and show progress in a follow-up screening, they won’t have to pay the $25 a month. But if they don’t and have a BMI of 35 or higher, they must pay starting in January 2011.


I'm pretty sure private insurance already charges more for the obese. Would be surprised if they look that higher premium gift horse in the nose.


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I wonder what would happen if we tried one form of universal payer? How about we eliminate all medicare/medicaid except for prescription drug programs. Enroll all US citz in that and use uncle Sugar to negotiate huge group pharma discounts. That'd get all the damned medical specialists off of the taxpayer tit, and cut the admin costs of private health care in re their weird formulary rules.

Fat people would just have to pay for their own damned gurneys when they have those heart attacks. Or better yet, lose weight.

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Fat people would just have to pay for their own damned gurneys when they have those heart attacks. Or better yet, lose weight.



Being slim does not mean you are not going to have cancer or heart attack. It only means you are going to have more life years until you develop a problem , but at the end someone is going to have to pay fo the medical expenses.
At the end it might be a wash. If an obese dies younger, then the state saves money in SS or other programs targeting eldery people.
and then we have the other problem. For example, sports related injuries put also a big pressure to the system.
Outdoor activities also increase the risk for injuries, or expensive search and rescue operations .

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Unhealthy people can be a real "burden" on the health care system. Just as poor people can be a burden on the welfare system.

Although I'm pretty sure nobody beats the elderly when it comes to hogging health care resources. Best that we put them all down.

Or we could just take the government out of the equation. Then it's nobody's business who best "deserves" health care.

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pamak wrote:
then the state saves money in SS or other programs targeting eldery people.


Interesting, I never thought about it thataway. Maybe getting people fat is part of a diabolical plot to make them die early.

pamak wrote:
and then we have the other problem. For example, sports related injuries put also a big pressure to the system.
Outdoor activities also increase the risk for injuries, or expensive search and rescue operations .


According to the NYT article from some years ago the obese and outdoorys do pay higher premiums already.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/02/business/02money.html

I do know when I went on vacation once I had to pay an extra $10 on my travel insurance because I was visiting a "ski slope". Not that I Know how to ski, but still...


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