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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:34 pm 
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Which nukes? The ones with the 100kg yield?

Do they exist? I recall stating that they might one day exist. The idea is from Heinlein. He had posited the existence of nukes with yields in "microtons." Basically, that is a nuke with the blast yield equivalent of TWO POUNDS of TNT. A 100 kg nuke would presumably have a blast equivalent yield of 100 kilograms, or 220 US pounds, of TNT.

That capability already exists in civilian hands and can be achieved many ways CHEMICALLY. A 100 kg yield nuke would not put anything on the street that is not essentially there already in re capability. It's not going to vaporize thousands. It might vaporize the crew of a tank if it went off underneath the tank. If the warhead is small and can be attached to a penetrator, or if it's somehow a kind of shaped-blast nuke, it might not have to be underneath the tank. Were such a thing to exist.


In the Army I was in, we had 1kt, 2kt, 5kt, 10kt, 20kt ... some of these were delivered by artillery shells and others were emplaced by engineers.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:05 pm 
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I know about those. In my estimation their yields are too great to be effective for self defense of communities or states against tyrannical organizations for use at the discretion of individuals. IMO it WOULD be reasonable for US States to have their own State Militas with ordnance depots that contain those things, but there'd have to be a real chain of command for their use with a huge bias against ever using them. I'd like to see a constitutional amendment stating that any Federal use of one of those devices against a population in the United States would void the constitutional authority and powers of the Federal government.

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How did the CDC get into that in the first place?

The Democrats trying to regulate firearm ownership as a national lead infection issue?! Sounds like some shadowy liberty-fucking bullshit the Obama DOJ would've tried pulling.


I should have clarified one thing. The CDC has not actually been BANNED from doing research, it has been banned from using Federal funds for gun control advocacy. Basically that 2-3 million dollar propaganda campaign started in the mid 1990s under Bill Clinton's presidency as a way to attack firearms rights without having the memorandum originate from the Desk of the President.

Here for example is a 2015 report to the State of Delaware analyzing Delaware's problem of increasing firearms crime during an interval in which most other states have had decreasing firearms crime (despite increases in firearms ownership in most states).

http://dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/dms/files/cdcgunviolencereport10315.pdf

That is an interesting study because gun grabbers, cryptofascists, and wielders of glaadius everywhere reacted negatively to the finding that urban poverty was the strongest cofactor for risk of violence rather than firearms ownership per se. IIRC some hag from Vice basically reacted to the report by stating there was no point in doing the research if the finding wasn't going to implicate firearms ownership as the strongest cofactor. In short, the radicals still demanding more research really only want the research to produce a pre-determined finding.


Of course!

It's SOP for the authoritarian left to cherry pick data and toss the rest.

Their goal isn't truth and logic, and especially not individual liberties, but imposing idealistic fantasies based on feelings via any means necessary.

I have no doubt that if it weren't for the NRA, and gun rights advocates in general, they would've attempted confiscating far more privately owned firearms by now, using any excuse they could come up with. If that was allowed, I can only imagine how much more of the Constitution would've been further picked apart.

This type of stuff always warrants further ire of the government 'alphabet soup' agencies overstepping their mandates and using their power for wrong purposes.

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I can only imagine how much more of the Constitution would've been further picked apart.


That's basically happening anyhow under the "living document" theory. The idea is that the Bill of Rights is very difficult to override, if one takes the constitution as written, and changes to civil rights require an Amendment. The bar for passing Amendments is very high. The "living document" shitheads basically want to ignore the rules (the amendment process) and bypass the whole thing by imagining that the constitution is a living document that can be overridden by the sentiments of a bare majority.

US Presidents have also attached onto that bullshit idea in order to make the case for the validity of executive orders that violate civil rights, extant acts of congress, etc.

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I can only imagine how much more of the Constitution would've been further picked apart.


That's basically happening anyhow under the "living document" theory. The idea is that the Bill of Rights is very difficult to override, if one takes the constitution as written, and changes to civil rights require an Amendment. The bar for passing Amendments is very high. The "living document" shitheads basically want to ignore the rules (the amendment process) and bypass the whole thing by imagining that the constitution is a living document that can be overridden by the sentiments of a bare majority.

US Presidents have also attached onto that bullshit idea in order to make the case for the validity of executive orders that violate civil rights, extant acts of congress, etc.


Also don't forget the activist judges who intervene, knowing full well their bullshit ruling will later be overruled by a higher court, just to be a temporary nuisance. And those attempting to legislate from the bench.

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mdiehl wrote:
Who do you imagine yourself killing with your glaadius? Traitors? Gun owners? Members of an opposition political party? Anyone who chooses NOT to agree with everything you demand?


He's ready for when the Carthaginians make a comeback.

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Also don't forget the activist judges who intervene, knowing full well their bullshit ruling will later be overruled by a higher court, just to be a temporary nuisance. And those attempting to legislate from the bench.



Ah..yes...you mean the 9th District

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jack t ripper wrote:
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Also don't forget the activist judges who intervene, knowing full well their bullshit ruling will later be overruled by a higher court, just to be a temporary nuisance. And those attempting to legislate from the bench.



Ah..yes...you mean the 9th District


Yes, the 9th seems to be doing this on a wholesale level, knowing that a great number of their decisions will be overturned on appeal, but gambling that enough of their decisions slip through the cracks and end up sticking.

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PS. You people of Oz did right thing. The weapons made to kill people are for the army only.


That would include knives, hammers, and rocks. Taking guns away from law abiding racists would only make criminals out of law abiding racists. It would do nothing to prevent murders. Even in Australia, anyone who really wants a gun can get one.

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Yesterday was apparently "National School Walkout Day", with many (or maybe most) using the event as a way to raise the issue of the Florida school shooting.

They wanted to walk out against school violence.
So outside Southwest High School in Minneapolis they displayed their support for anti-violence by confronting a student that was carrying a Trump flag: they assaulted him, stole his flag, damaged his camera and caused him injury. :roll:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/03/1 ... g-assault/

Nice going.

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