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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:30 pm 
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Anthropoid wrote:

Assuming my claim that most firearms used in crimes were illegally procured



This is page 46 of the thread! Why doesn't Doggie just take posts from other massacre threads and "copy and paste"!

A crime is holding up a liquor store. This thread is about a massacre.

I say that weapons used in massacres are purchased legally:
This massacre
Sandy Hook
Las Vegas
The gay disco
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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:47 pm 
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Joe wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:

Assuming my claim that most firearms used in crimes were illegally procured



This is page 46 of the thread! Why doesn't Doggie just take posts from other massacre threads and "copy and paste"!

A crime is holding up a liquor store. This thread is about a massacre.

I say that weapons used in massacres are purchased legally:
This massacre
Sandy Hook
Las Vegas
The gay disco
.
.

True.

And why? Now when I have read their 2nd, I tried to understand the problem.

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So the 2nd amendment: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I notice the implied structure: because X, therefore Y.

So: Because a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The 2nd was was adopted on December 15, 1791. In that time there was no standing army in the US, and anyway the idea of citizen soldiers was in fashion. And idolizing ancient Rome, early republic with all the virtues of armed citizenry.

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But with the professional standing army, the X part is obsolete, and then the Y part can/should be reconsidered. Civilians do not need military weapons.

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PS. You people of Oz did right thing. The weapons made to kill people are for the army only.

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:09 pm 
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You're wasting your time arguing with people who think they should be able to buy nukes.... :roll: I don't think in all my years on the internet I ever heard anything quite as pathetic or twisted. Being a paranoid Nut is now a protected class in the US... they're Patriots... :roll:

Las Vegas was the thing that woke me up.... Some day a nutball is going to find a way to get a weapon like that and 1000 rounds up above a baseball stadium or similar... and he won't spend half his rounds spraying auto fire all over a square mile... or trying to blow up fuel tanks.... He's going to kill hundreds....maybe more.... and then the Nuts will no longer matter....whether they like it or not...... "normal" people will do something about it...

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:37 pm 
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Nero,
You're wasting your time arguing with people who think they should be able to buy nukes.... :roll: I don't think in all my years on the internet I ever heard anything quite as pathetic or twisted. Being a paranoid Nut is now a protected class in the US... they're Patriots... :roll:

Las Vegas was the thing that woke me up.... Some day a nutball is going to find a way to get a weapon like that and 1000 rounds up above a baseball stadium or similar... and he won't spend half his rounds spraying auto fire all over a square mile... or trying to blow up fuel tanks.... He's going to kill hundreds....maybe more.... and then the Nuts will no longer matter....whether they like it or not...... "normal" people will do something about it...

About nukes. :lol:

But I think army weapons are not civilians.

Then I find that the ATF is required to keep paper database of weapons sales, only non searchable database, CDC is by law not allowed to touch gun violence. What is the matter?

I am living in a country comfortable with weapons, hunting weapons, target shooting, even weapons for voluntary militias. But seldom for self defense, we are an advanced society with police force that no people is not required to defend themselves. OK, people in Ostrobothnia have their knives, and the Sami people use their teeth.

But then by the law every Finnish man is a soldier, and so most get their shooting instinct fulfilled while serving. And the the idea having the next time too shoot would mean war.

Have your fun with your guns, while it lasts. :(

But with all fairness no grandfather principle, the Australian way. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:57 pm 
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The CDC is a research and policy-recommendation agency, not a regulatory nor law-enforcement agency.

It is no longer allowed to research firearms crimes because, (1) that function would be the same as the Department of Justice, Bureau of Criminal Statistics, and, 2) the last time the CDC conducted "research" on firearms cromes the researchers were all selected in advance for their highly visible record of politically advocating universal firearms confiscation regardless of the 2nd Amendement; the CDC's "research" used methods that were subsequently reviewed (in some rather high-profile journals) to be flawed, and to have selectively included data with such bias as to meet the standard of criminal fraud.

See, for example:

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/12/why-we-cant-trust-the-cdc-with-gun-research-000340

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:11 pm 
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:lol:

Some one needs to spend a little mor time sheathing his glaadius.

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
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mdiehl wrote:
The CDC is a research and policy-recommendation agency, not a regulatory nor law-enforcement agency.

It is no longer allowed to research firearms crimes because, (1) that function would be the same as the Department of Justice, Bureau of Criminal Statistics, and, 2) the last time the CDC conducted "research" on firearms cromes the researchers were all selected in advance for their highly visible record of politically advocating universal firearms confiscation regardless of the 2nd Amendement; the CDC's "research" used methods that were subsequently reviewed (in some rather high-profile journals) to be flawed, and to have selectively included data with such bias as to meet the standard of criminal fraud.

See, for example:

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/12/why-we-cant-trust-the-cdc-with-gun-research-000340

OK, but then, you seen no reason to study why people kill other people with firearms. Is it unconstitutional? :roll:

Be rational.

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 pm 
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Who said there is no reason? You need to READ what others write. The USDOJ studies criminal violence including motive, means frequency etc. The CDC is NOT allowed to because the CDC intentionally solicited FRAUDULENT research. Surely even you can understand that for research to have policy value it has to be factually well-supported.

There are US Federal agencies, and numerous university researchers, who actively study the subject. On the whole, they do not find that gun bans of the kind that you, Nero, and Mrs. Hysteria, advocate.

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:23 pm 
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mdiehl wrote:
:lol:

Some one needs to spend a little mor time sheathing his glaadius.

Get your grammar, and your constitution correct. ;)

Chickenshit. :twisted:

But people are coming to take your...away... haha.

You will see.

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 Post subject: Re: Floride School Shooting at least 15 dead
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So just for the record, you were not actually interested in the answers to your questions.

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